john313 said:
Matthew 14:19 "He took the 5 loaves and 2 fishes and looking up to the heavens, and brake, and gave the loaves to his disciples, and the disciples to the multitude."
It does not say he brake the fish and the bread, it says he brake, then they distributed the bread. Mark says that he divided fish among the people. This could be argued also that if the fish magically appeared, were they real fish in the first place? Were they ever living creatures?
[World English Bible]
(John 6:8,9) 6:8 One of his disciples, Andrew, Simon Peters brother, said to him, 6:9 There is a boy here who has five barley loaves and two fish, but what are these among so many?
(Mark 6:38) 6:38 He said to them, How many loaves do you have? Go see. When they knew, they said, Five, and two fish.
(Mark 6:41) 6:41 He took the five loaves and the two fish, and looking up to heaven, he blessed and broke the loaves, and he gave to his disciples to set before them, and he divided the two fish among them all.
I don't know about you but dividing usually denotes making into pieces in my book. How else are you going to
portion it out?
So it's a matter of viewpoints.. is dividing the same as ripping up? I say yes unless someone had a knife.
john313 said:
I do not recall the fish into the fire episode, if you have a verse I would like to look into it.
As for the fish on the fire incident. This is after Jesus was resurrected. Jesus is alone on the shoreline...
(John 21:1-9) 21:1 After these things, Jesus revealed himself again to the disciples at the sea of Tiberias. He revealed himself this way. 21:2 Simon Peter, Thomas called Didymus, Nathanael of Cana in Galilee, and the sons of Zebedee, and two others of his disciples were together. 21:3 Simon Peter said to them, Im going fishing.
They told him, We are also coming with you. They immediately went out, and entered into the boat. That night, they caught nothing. 21:4 But when day had already come, Jesus stood on the beach, yet the disciples didnt know that it was Jesus. 21:5 Jesus therefore said to them, Children, have you anything to eat?
They answered him, No.
21:6 He said to them, Cast the net on the right side of the boat, and you will find some.
They cast it therefore, and now they werent able to draw it in for the multitude of fish. 21:7 That disciple therefore whom Jesus loved said to Peter, Its the Lord!
So when Simon Peter heard that it was the Lord, he wrapped his coat around him (for he was naked), and threw himself into the sea. 21:8 But the other disciples came in the little boat (for they were not far from the land, but about two hundred cubits away), dragging the net full of fish. 21:9 So when they got out on the land, they saw a fire of coals there, and fish laid on it, and bread.