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Would Iran Actually Nuke Israel?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by rustybridges, Feb 12, 2012.

  1. rustybridges

    rustybridges New Member

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    I joined this forum to ask this question specifically. I've been kicking this idea around in my head and I think it come down to a religious aspect. Islam and Muslim's also see the Israeli lands as their holy lands. And I feel like they would have a problem with destroying and irradiating their holy land. Or is that not much of an issue. Maybe I'm wrong though. I'm not Muslim nor do I know anyone that is. So maybe a Muslim could help me answer this question.
     
  2. Terrywoodenpic

    Terrywoodenpic Oldest Heretic

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    There will always be a problem using Nukes on any land locked country close to their allies, especialy one that contains people and places you value for any reason.
    Israel could concievably nuke Iran, but Iran is more likely to nuke a USA or UK city.
     
  3. Aniihya

    Aniihya Game is tasty.

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    Iran and nukes? I have to say, I find it funny that Americans, Israelis and Brits actually assume that Iran will ever have a nuke as long as it is controlled by an Ayatollah. Khamenei issued a fatwa that nuclear energy shall never be used for warfare or the production of weapons. A fatwa is a fatwa and going against a fatwa in Iran is a death warrant. I just hope the Ayatollahs will continue to reign but end up liberalizing a bit. Because as long as Ayatollahs reign and Khamenei dies, then the fatwa will exist for eternity, forbidden Iran to have nukes. Iran isnt like other nations where politicians lie on a daily basis.
     
  4. Shermana

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    If anything they'd probably give Hezbollah the means to.
     
  5. Caladan

    Caladan Agnostic Pantheist

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    We've also heard that Iran isn't like other nations where they have homosexuals...

    regarding the OP. no one in Israel has explicitly said anything about nuclear war, its a standard stand off in the face of regional balance of power. not only Israel, but Sunni Arab states have showed opposition for Iran's attempt to change the balance of power, Sunni states have taken direct measures against Iran with explicitly saying that Iran interferes and destabilises their countries. several Arab countries have expelled Iranian diplomats on this grounds.
    so no, people in general do not talk about a direct nuclear war, but about destabilizing the region. we need to remember that the real concerns are about the support Iran gives to terrorist groups on the Israeli-Palestinian-Lebanese front, and the support it gives to Shiite elements inside Sunni states. this is the real issue at the moment.
     
  6. Gharib

    Gharib I want Khilafah back

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    that is correct. in the islamic state ruled by a khalif, it is only people who fit the job that are hired for it. a man may be the poorest from among all muslims, however if his knowledge surpasses that of everyone else, then he will be the khalif (leader).

    in other words, we value knowledge more than anything else, money comes last. you can't buy your way into islam like in the non-islamic nations. they speak so much yet do so little. when one of the companions of Prophet Muhammed became a Khalif, all he said in his speech addressing his people for the first time was: "You are in need of a man of action and not a man of words". that was his speech nothing more.
     
  7. Caladan

    Caladan Agnostic Pantheist

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    and in other news, in the real world...
     
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    Really? So why are the clerics running Iran notorious for their corruption?
     
  9. Gharib

    Gharib I want Khilafah back

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    yeah in the real world of today we don't have an islamic state. those days are in the past unfortunately, they are in the near future also but not at the pressent.

    and in other news, look at the leaders of Iran, Ahmedinejad for lack of a better word is "a puppet". it is the scholars of Iran who run the country. surely you knew that. and the same with Egypt now that the Pharaoh was taken down.
     
  10. Gharib

    Gharib I want Khilafah back

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    what do you mean? can i see something that backs up your statement.
     
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    Which is why numerous non-islamic nations are the most developed countries in the world technologically, socially, economically, and liberally. But, politics had nothing at all to do with that. /sarcasm
     
  12. Caladan

    Caladan Agnostic Pantheist

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    You can keep telling yourself that Muslim politicians both in the past and in the present are pure and do not take part in any corruption whatsoever.
    you can also add an angelic aura to any historical Muslim leader you like, it still wouldn't make it sound more realistic.
     
  13. YmirGF

    YmirGF Bodhisattva

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    A glowing patch of land (or two) would be preferable to the continued existence of Jews on previously held Muslim lands, whether those lands were the traditional homelands of others or NOT. It is true that the President of Iran has not literally said that Israel should be wiped from the face of the map, however, one does have to wonder about the intentions of people who would even make mention of it.

    Exit question: What part of "Death to Israel; Death to America" do you not get? Dare we pretend that they don't really mean it? When people are wishing you were dead, one ought to sit up and pay close attention and keep a big stick handy.
     
  14. Father Heathen

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    I don't imagine the palistinians would appeciate having what they claim as their homeland nuked, nor would the rest of the muslim world appeciate having some of Islam's holiest sites within Israel disintegrated, nor would Israel's muslim neighbors appreciate the nuclear fallout.
     
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    YmirGF Bodhisattva

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    I disagree. If such a thing rid them of their Jewish curse, they may well decide it is worth the sacrifice.
     
  16. Caladan

    Caladan Agnostic Pantheist

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    I'm not talking about a nuclear war scenario. but just to comment on this, Lebanese terror group Hezballah, heavily supported by Iran has lobbed thousands of rockets at Israel, occasionally hitting Arab towns or Arab residential areas. the willing to sacrifice life in order to kill others has never been something that deterred terror groups or several middle eastern countries. there have been terror operations inside Islam's holiest site at the Grand Mosque at Mecca before.
    terror groups have launched rockets at Israel and hit Jordan, Saddam Hussein lobbed missiles at Israel, on occasion hitting Arab areas, Palestinian terrorists have targeted social placed where Jews and Arabs dine side by side, and just about every middle eastern country except Israel had civil wars, so killing innocent Arabs or Muslims in order to have a greater victory has never been a red line.
     
  17. YmirGF

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    Plus there is the added bonus of martyrdom.
     
  18. Caladan

    Caladan Agnostic Pantheist

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    martyrdom is an industry, a middle eastern Hollywood industry.
     
  19. Father Heathen

    Father Heathen Veteran Member

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    Ah, good points. I was just trying to give them the benefit of a doubt.
     
  20. rustybridges

    rustybridges New Member

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    great conversation!, it just feels like the war drum being beat in the US is all about a Nuclear Iran and seeing as I don't think a strike on any western country is very possible the only option left for alarm raising seems to be a nuclear strike on Israel. And I see that at times Muslims are willing to take loss themselves from their own actions like missiles and rockets but I feel like a nuke and Irradiating their holy land and leaving its un-inhabitable should be seen as un-acceptable to 99% of Muslims. They would not only loose their nation and a lot of their people but loose the war of idealism.
     
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