Depends on what you envision the "cosmic scale recreation" to be? Do you see the earth itself needing to be replaced along with the "heavens"? (2 Peter 3:13)
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World Peace - Is it possible?
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whirlingmerc
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It doesn't have to be replaced, it can be redeemed.... when God destroyed the earth with a flood He did not replace it....
but it wouldn't matter to me either way. Be there or be square!
but it wouldn't matter to me either way. Be there or be square!
whirlingmerc said:
I think a lot of people mistake "peacekeepers"
For "peacemakers".
As a Christian, I believe the Bible is the source of truth, and can answer our most profound questions.
Briefly, here are 3 passages dealing with this subject:
Jeremiah 10:23; Matthew 6:9-10; Revelation 21:3-4.
World peace will be established, but not by man. God will step in. -- Revelation 11:18.
All Jehovah's Witnesses believe this.
buddhist
Well-Known Member
The early Buddhist texts claim that mankind will continue to descend towards greater conflict for quite some time. External peace cannot happen until man achieves internal peace.
Upaava
Member
According to the scriptures, world peace is certain.....but it will never be brought about by man.
It is God himself who will eliminate selfish, greedy human governments and introduce his own kingdom rulership by crushing them out of existence. (Daniel 2:44)
...Now is the time to get our act together..... We have the manual that teaches us how.
May peace be with you, Deeje,
It would be a sad world if people decided to let evil prevail, waiting for God to bring justice. In this world God's work is truly our own, and prayer can be used to help those suffering and in need, not just calling upon God to do it for us.
God has given us free choice, and the problems we have in the world are a result of our own wrong choices. Just as people have created these problems, we can heal them IF we get to work!
WWII, with the death and suffering of many millions, could have been avoided if people had awoken to what was happening and stood against it. Similar events are occurring in the world today. Yes, it IS time to get our acts together-- Who is willing to stand against this rising tide? Who is ready to do more than just use words, to pick up Yeshua's yoke, rather than just invoke His name? Those who do are truly his own.
Who has eyes to see and ears to hear?
Thank you...and to you.
Jesus set the example for us to "follow his steps closely". (1 Peter 2:21) At the time when Jesus walked the earth, his people were under the yoke of Rome and chafing. The Jews wanted to revolt. Yet despite all the oppression, never once did Jesus recommend that his disciples engage in efforts to break that yoke. In fact he told them not to have anything to do with the world.....obviously because he knew who was running the show (1 John 5:19; 2 Corinthians 4:3-4) and that things would play out just as his Father had stated in his word.
In Daniel, it was prophesied that a march of world powers would rule down through history and that we would ultimately arrive at this juncture when humans were not 'mixing' well. God's kingdom would take over from corrupt human rulership and it would rule forever. (Daniel 2:44)
We are living in "the time of the end" that Daniel was inspired to write about. (Daniel 12:4)
Judging by what we see happening at present, it looks like the foretold outcome is not too far away. The scriptures foretold that only God can solve the problems that man has created. Man is too concerned with his own sovereignty to acknowledge the rightful sovereignty of Jehovah. They will be forced to do so.
If the churches of Christendom had done their job, that war could never have been fought. She supported the bloodshed and still does.
In the sixties, there was a catch-cry from anti-Vietnam war demonstrators......"make love not war".
Popular songs voiced the feelings of many people. One of them was by a guy named Donovan, called "The Universal Soldier". The lyrics of that song resonate down all these decades and still hold true today......
"He's five foot-two, and he's six feet-four,
He fights with missiles and with spears.
He's all of thirty-one, and he's only seventeen,
He's been a soldier for a thousand years.
He's a Catholic, a Hindu, an Atheist, a Jain,
A Buddhist and a Baptist and a Jew.
And he knows he shouldn't kill,
And he knows he always will,
Kill you for me my friend and me for you.
And he's fighting for Canada,
He's fighting for France,
He's fighting for the USA,
And he's fighting for the Russians,
And he's fighting for Japan,
And he thinks we'll put an end to war this way.
And he's fighting for Democracy,
He's fighting for the Reds,
He says it's for the peace of all.
He's the one who must decide,
Who's to live and who's to die,
And he never sees the writing on the wall.
But without him,
How would Hitler have condemned him at Labau?
Without him Caesar would have stood alone,
He's the one who gives his body
As a weapon of the war,
And without him all this killing can't go on.
He's the Universal Soldier and he really is to blame,
His orders come from far away no more,
They come from here and there and you and me,
And brothers can't you see,
This is not the way we put an end to war."
I always thought that those words were powerful and so true. 'Without him, all the killing can't go on'.
"Imagine if you were invited to a war.....and nobody came."
As you said, "the death and suffering of many millions, could have been avoided if people had awoken to what was happening and stood against it." But here we are half a century later, and nothing has changed. Why? Because the course of events leading to these last days had already been determined. The Creator foresaw all that was to occur and his true worshippers didn't need to be a party to any of it. They just needed to be ambassadors of peace.
Isaiah 2:2-4 prophesied....
"In the final part of the days, The mountain of the house of Jehovah Will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, And it will be raised up above the hills, And to it all the nations will stream.....He will render judgment among the nations And set matters straight respecting many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares And their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, Nor will they learn war anymore."
This is the position that true Christians were to adopt....turning their weapons into implements of peace.
Those who call themselves Christians, but who take up arms are disobeying the orders of their 'superior officer'...Jesus Christ, who told us to love our enemies...not kill them. (Matthew 5:44-45)
The real Christians see no need to lift a finger to stop what is happening. Do you not think that our commanding officer has the power to deal with all enemies? (2 Thessalonians 1:6-9) Mere humans are no match for him, so when he comes as judge, he will inspect the hands of those who claim him as their Lord to see if there is blood on them. (Isaiah 1:15) He will determine who were "doing the will of the Father" and who were merely doing the will of their governments. (Matthew 7:21-23)
There are lots of us.
Koldo
Outstanding Member
This would result from a voluntary agreement of all nations to dispense with such weapons. All nations would need to agree to it. One country who holds a massive arsenal while the others dispose of theirs won't be acceptable for obvious reasons.
The deterrence argument with nuclear weapons is essentially madness.
Why will nations all agree to this?
Whether peace is to be reached only after unimaginable horrors precipitated by humanity’s stubborn clinging to old patterns of behaviour, or is to be embraced now by an act of consultative will, is the choice before all who inhabit the earth. At this critical juncture when the intractable problems confronting nations have been fused into one common concern for the whole world, failure to stem the tide of conflict and disorder would be unconscionably irresponsible.
In other words, you need everyone to agree on something. That's the issue. You need everyone with the same mindset, because even one dissenting opinion could ruin everything. That's exactly what I mean when I say that our differences are the barrier. What you propose is unity in conformity, not unity in diversity.
From a Baha’i point of view, humanity’s worship of idols of its own invention is of importance not because of the historical events associated with these forces, however horrifying, but because of the lesson it taught. Looking back on the twilight world in which such diabolical forces loomed over humanity’s future, one must ask what was the weakness in human nature that rendered it vulnerable to such influences. To have seen in someone like Benito Mussolini the figure of a “Man of Destiny”, to have felt obliged to understand the racial theories of Adolf Hitler as anything other than the self-evident products of a diseased mind, to have seriously entertained the reinterpretation of human experience through dogmas that had given birth to the Soviet Union of Josef Stalin — so willful an abandonment of reason on the part of a considerable segment of the intellectual leadership of society demands an accounting to posterity. – Century of Light, p. 62.
It might be worth reflecting on why the United Nations came about in the first place. It was in the aftermath of WWII and all the horrors that entailed. Lets all work towards a better world.
It might be worth reflecting on why the United Nations came about in the first place. It was in the aftermath of WWII and all the horrors that entailed. Lets all work towards a better world.
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Sometimes everyone needs to be on the same page. If there was an axe weilding madman going door to door threatening to kill, few would disagree action needed to be taken to stop him.
ajay0
Well-Known Member
World peace is possible, but it would require a major shift in consciousness.
Identifications with creed, nationality, gender, religion, race, ideology, sect, gangs, language and so on, is bound to lead to violence and chaos, and that is what is happening at the moment.
All identifications emerge from a lower state of consciousness, and hence the perception of duality, consequent conflict and disharmony.
Love is a higher state of consciousness and hence the perception of unity and consequent harmony.
If religion is used for its original purpose of elevating the consciousness of mankind, humanity would be able to stem over these issues at present and achieve world peace.
Value-based secular humanists or atheists too can play a leading role in this regard, as values too stem from a higher state of consciousness.
The verses you quoted:
"And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." Revelations 21:3-4
What do they mean to you and how do they relate to world peace?
Upaava
Member
May peace be with you, Deeje,
Loving our enemies is not to judge others, but through love to turn them into those with whom we can live together in peace. But that does not mean to remain inactive allowing evil to fluorish.
How might one apply love to fight against evil? Mohandas “Mahatma” Gandhi followed Jesus' admonition to love one another in forming his philosophy of Satyagraha-- satya = truth; graham = an earnest search. Therefore, satyagraha is “an earnest seeking for the truth.”
The question is: how to oppose injustice and tyranny without being part of its underlying causes of fear, hatred, and violence? For Gandhi, the solution lay in embodying the opposite, spiritually based qualities in a nonviolent warrior.
The term “satyagraha” embodies three cornerstone concepts: 1) ahimsa; 2) satya; and, 3) tapasya.
“Ahimsa” means harmlessness, but much more than an absence or negation of violence, it meant for Gandhi a positive state of love, with no will to do harm. Within the view of ahimsa, violence not only causes harm to others, but also to those who perform it.
The second cornerstone of satyagraha is “satya,” truth. For Gandhi satyagraha is pure truth-force the very substance of the soul. Nonviolence is the supreme duty. In its dormant state this soul-power is nonviolence, in it’s waking state it’s love.
The final component of satyagraha is “tapasya,” or sacrifice, used in conjunction with ahimsa and satya. “Tapasya” is self-suffering, suffering taken on oneself rather than inflicting it upon others, to take the blows of others but never to give them. This is very much as Jesus taught in “turning the other cheek.” From a spiritual perspective, such actions can bring results by taking the wrongs of others onto oneself.
This very moment, infants, and children of all ages are being kidnapped and sold to be raped, and murdered by evil people who use their blood and organs in abominable rituals. This is fact, born out by countless investigations around the globe and whistleblowers who have put their lives at risk, some dying to help save the children.
Those who believe the Messiah would like us to do nothing to help save these children have lost the meaning of love. Such inaction, in the face of the horrible crimes against children, is counter to everything Jesus came here to teach us. Those who believe we must wait upon God to save the children have failed to find Jesus within their hearts, where his truth remains unaltered.
Harken to your hearts and help save the children-- and others in dire need-- while there is still time. They are praying to be saved-- who will answer?
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Thank you for your contribution
Baha'is believe God has stepped in to intervene. He now works through man.
Waiting for miraculous events based on literal interpretation of the book of revelation is a grevious error. The Jews believed their Messiah to be a literal fulfilment of prophecies too and consequently failed to recognise Him.
We also believe "failure to stem the tide of conflict and disorder (is) unconscionably irresponsible."
Best wishes
Thank you. Does this verse mean anything to you?
'I am not the first Buddha Who came upon this earth, nor shall I be the last. In due time another Buddha will arise in the world, a Holy One, a supremely enlightened One, endowed with wisdom in conduct, auspicious knowing the universe, an incomparable leader of men, a Master of angels and mortals. He will reveal to you the same eternal truths which I have taught you. He will preach to you His religion, glorious in its origin, glorious at the climax and glorious at the goal, in spirit and in the letter. He will proclaim a religious life, wholly perfect and pure, such as I now proclaim.' His disciples will number many thousands, while Mine number many hundreds.'
Metteyya
buddhist
Well-Known Member
Sure, he's supposed to arrive in the future, but not to bring world peace.
At least, to me, Jesus is the one who is supposed to bring in world peace because according to Scripture Jesus is Prince of Peace, and Jesus is also King (president) of God's government, God's kingdom, and as such the words from Jesus' mouth will rid the Earth of wickedness as Psalms 37:38,28,10,20,40 talks of the coming end for the wicked forever. No more wicked people thus would equate to only righteous people left living on Earth forever.
Right, Earth does Not have to be replaced. As Ecclesiastes 1:4 B says: the Earth abides forever.
So, it is Not the Earth that is at fault. What was actually destroyed by the Flood was a world of wickedness on Earth.
Repentant people can be redeemed. As for the willfully wicked (those beyond reform, beyond redemption) they will be be destroyed by the executional words from Jesus' mouth as described at Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:14-16.