dawny0826
Mother Heathen
How can the quality of health care not deteriorate when the current health care system does not have the ability to handle the number of people that would have access to health care, with this new law?
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Will Obamacare raise the price of your pizza?
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How can the quality of health care not deteriorate when the current health care system does not have the ability to handle the number of people that would have access to health care, with this new law?
If you have a corrupt, broken system, and you streamline and fix it, why would you assume that it would function in the same way as the old system?
And as Alceste already noted, the US lags far behind other developed countries in basic health statistics, like infant mortality. Socialized medicine seems to be doing something right over there. Why assume that it would fail here, when it hasn't in other nations?
Lastly, I have always found the argument above to be supremely selfish. People are unwilling to give up a little convenience (e.g. having to wait longer), in order to allow other people to have access to healthcare. "I can't possibly share my cake with that starving person over there because that would mean I have less."
Honestly I would gladly accept health care of a slightly lower quality if that's what it took to garuntee that I and my family (and everyone else for that matter) would always have access to health care. Though honestly I doubt that will be an issue. At most it would mean longer waiting lines... oh boo hoo, at least I wouldn't have to worry about being without insurance and unable to afford my own just because I've reached some arbitrary age limit. As it stands I might be one my own this january.
I really don't understand why people are so against the idea of raising taxes some in order to have things like universal health care and what not. I would gladly pay higher taxes for that.
I really don't understand why people are so against the idea of raising taxes some in order to have things like universal health care and what not. I would gladly pay higher taxes for that.
Alceste
Vagabond
I think they aren't thinking of their private health care costs as a "tax". Really, what difference would paying a couple hundred dollars more a year make if it eliminates thousands of dollars worth of private health insurance costs?
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Despite my birth-country I knew instantly the health-care scene here, while not perfect, was exponentially better, and has no doubt increased my quality of life and peace of mind for others as well.
Alceste
Vagabond
Nobody's health care system is perfect. Bodies are complicated and pain, disease and death are inevitable. Nevertheless, it's nice to know they'll do their best to help you and your loved ones whenever you need it, without ever sending you a bill.
Alceste
Vagabond
The vast amount of waste that currently goes into maintaining multiple private administrative bodies and increasing corporate profits could be used to expand and improve front line services. Either that, or you could reduce your wasted spending and keep front line services the same.
What gives you the idea that the current US system will be overloaded? It seems to me anybody with a green light from their private insurer or a wheelbarrow full of cash can get treatment wherever and whenever they want it. That doesn't sound like you're pushing the limits to me. Letting everybody have access to health care doesn't suddenly make more people sick, and most people only go to the doctor when they need to. Also, the law of supply and demand still applies. As more people try to book regular visits to a GP, more med school graduates will open practices. Their own administrative overhead will be reduced: They will likely be dealing with one insurer (the government) with a fixed fee schedule and guaranteed payments, no co-pays to fuss with, no dealing with multiple insurance companies, no fine print, no need to meddle with collection agencies to put the squeeze on people who can't pay. Even at the GP level, less administrative overhead means more money for front line services.
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I'm not sure about your implicit assumptions in your questions, but setting that aside for the moment, in health care, a stitch in time really does save nine.
When someone doesn't have insurance, often, they won't see a family doctor and instead will only seek care when a problem becomes so large it can't be ignored, at which point, they may be ready for the hospital. Give people access to regular exams and routine health care and you'll nip many problems in the bud before they get to the point that they need major intervention.
Shermana
Heretic
If this price increase of 15 cents or so per pizza is representative of the price increases we'll see on other products, sounds like extreme hysteria. Oh my, a 1% increase. Not like the price cartels which the Free Market enables are responsible for basic goods being twice their true market value. The real factors behind inflation and lack of affordability of basic goods is all artificial from greedy trust mongers.
Shermana
Heretic
If more people did that, such a better place this world be! If everyone would stop doing business with the companies that exploit them and oppose the interests of the small time producers and consumers, the economic playing field would start to level. I wish everyone would start with Monsanto.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
The quality of our health care is already far behind other nations. As for a lack of doctors, the length you have to be in school and the staggering debt you'll acquire tends to leave alot of people stopping at a masters degree, and in many cases the potential earnings will not offset the cost of obtaining a doctorates. It is a problem with our education system, not health system.
Shermana
Heretic
Not to mention the fact that many doctors are corrupt and like to bilk the Insurance as much as possible regardless of the conditions of their patients. I'm really starting to love the Free Market more than ever (Sarcasm).
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
I try to avoid places that support bad places, although all I'll admit I'm not the best at keeping up with who supports what. It can also be pretty hard, especially with things like knowing what pharmaceutical companies that support bad causes and what medications they make. Such as Pfizer and Elli Lilly, both of which are ALEC members and the only thing I know that either company makes is Elli Lilly makes Prozac. And sometimes there aren't any options, such as with AT&T and how it is the only phone company that offers service where I live and the only cell phone company that gets good reception in the area.
No need to defend it. I like it. I agree with it. No worries.
I was born in America, true... but that doesn't mean my every comment about Canada is bashing it.
I moved here to be Canadian, not to proselytize **hugs**
Alceste
Vagabond
No need to defend it. I like it. I agree with it. No worries.
I was born in America, true... but that doesn't mean my every comment about Canada is bashing it.
Ha, I wasn't even trying to be defensive. I was trying to agree with you, and add a few more thoughts on the subject. Lol. Hugs back.
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All the touching & PDA here is bad enuf.
Alceste
Vagabond
Wait'll the francophones get here, then it'll be double cheek kisses. You don't know the meaning of awkward until you've tried to learn the double cheek kiss.
Ugh! Revoltingest don't play dat.