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Will Obamacare raise the price of your pizza?
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Alceste
Vagabond
Low income women would presumably still be covered by Medicaid, which varies from state to state, but doesn't it stand to reason that if Planned Parenthood is shut down, the burden of their services for low income women would shift to medicaid?
AmerikanZen
Active Member
That's irrelevant - I'll still have a large pineapple & canadian bacon from Domino's.
esmith
Veteran Member
So doesn't the Affordable Care Act require all US Citizens to have health insurance by 2014? Doesn't the Affordable Care Act require all insurance companies to provide preventive care services such as mammograms, physical exams, colonoscopies and vaccinations will be fully covered by insurance companies. This requirement kicked in for new health insurance plans that began on or after September 2010.
If low income wage earners have to go on medicaid, which is funded by the state and federal government and managed by the state, doesn't tax dollars pay for this? Why then should we tax payers be required to pay for free services via medicaid and give block grants to Planned Parenthood?
Alceste
Vagabond
The fact that health services for low income women on Medicaid will vary from state to state is in the article you posted. You have the option of paying a tax if you choose not to have health insurance, the proceeds of which will help address the cost of services for uninsured or underinsured patients.
It's still a stupid system compared to universal health care, but it doesn't make Planned Parenthood obsolete.
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
This I really do agree with......:yes:
Realistically.... Maybe the cost of your pizza OUGHT to go up a few cents for health care.
I mean ... look at the label.... too many of these baddies and you'll be using it for sure.
"SIN" tax.
Welcome to socialized medicine States folk.
NOTHING is free... not even universal health care
I mean ... look at the label.... too many of these baddies and you'll be using it for sure.
"SIN" tax.
Welcome to socialized medicine States folk.
NOTHING is free... not even universal health care
Alceste
Vagabond
Realistically.... Maybe the cost of your pizza OUGHT to go up a few cents for health care.
I mean ... look at the label.... too many of these baddies and you'll be using it for sure.
"SIN" tax.
Welcome to socialized medicine States folk.
NOTHING is free... not even universal health care
Universal health care is free at the point of service. I don't know any Canadians outside the insurance industry and their lobbyists who would dream of doing away with it. FYI, we pay about half the costs you guys pay, through taxes instead of through a private company, and there are no limits or co-pays, ever.
InfidelRiot
Active Member
Like most things with which other countries have no problems, same-sex marriage and universal health care, America seems almost unreasonably afraid of change and progression. It is one of the reasons why America is no longer the best country in the world.
BTW... I'm back in Canada again
I feel like you're debating me on a point I didn't make.
I said it wasn't free. This is true.
"Free" at point of service just means 'you' have paid before into the system, no?
I'm only suggesting a 'SIN' tax, like there already is on cigs and beer...
That's the only 'into the system' paying I was talking about.
I'm not disputing the Canadian system,
just saying, with a universal system people ought to pay for for,
Fats, simple sugar and carcinogens.
Alceste
Vagabond
BTW... I'm back in Canada again
I feel like you're debating me on a point I didn't make.
I said it wasn't free. This is true.
"Free" at point of service just means 'you' have paid before into the system, no?
I'm only suggesting a 'SIN' tax, like there already is on cigs and beer...
That's the only 'into the system' paying I was talking about.
I'm not disputing the Canadian system,
just saying, with a universal system people ought to pay for for,
Fats, simple sugar and carcinogens.
Welcome back! Glad you made it! Particularly to the east coast. Good people out that way.
Sorry, the comment "universal health care isn't free" provoked a Pavlovian response from me since I've so often heard it used as an argument against it by Americans who don't understand how it works, and don't realize it costs half as much as their system.
But I agree. Tax on unhealthy stuff is a great concept. I only wish they were more careful to ensure that revenue was earmarked for health care instead of being used for other things.
esmith
Veteran Member
As far as I'm concerned, the tax payer is paying for Medicaid. There is NO reason for us to also pay for Planned Parenthood. The Democratic Party passed the Affordable Health Care Act. The AHCA says get insurance. So if you do not want to get insurance that is your decision. I, for one, do not want to pay for services from Planned Parenthood that would have been covered by the required insurance. I am getting tired of the free-loaders in this country. Yes there are those that really need the assistance but there are those that are attempting to scam the system.
jazzymom
Just Jewish
We need to have universal health care like all other industrialized nations. I am tired of the pull yourself up by your bootstraps mentality and I am not a part of a community mentality.
It is crazy that we have the ability to feed the hungry and clothe the naked and provide health care to those who need it but heaven forbid we raise taxes and have universal health care.
We should take a look at the models of health care other countries have and move in that direction.
Have all under the umbrella and not a patch work health care.
Alceste
Vagabond
You're right. Part of the reason your system costs twice as much as everybody else's is that it's so inefficient. You've got hundreds of private companies all duplicating each other's efforts, and they all want to turn a profit. Then you've got all sorts of charities and government bodies duplicating those efforts yet again to try to catch all the people who fall through the cracks, so that even the tax-funded portion of your system costs as much as universal health care costs us. It's a crazy, crazy system. I'm frankly amazed that Americans don't insist on universal health care. It's as if they value private profit for insurance companies over their own health and the health of their loved ones.
jazzymom
Just Jewish
It is crazy..... I don't understand it and we could have one health system that covered all that all payed into depending on what they could afford. As much as I love my country I don't love how we do health care.
When my parents lived in England for a year they were covered by the British system even though they were not citizens.
My husband has health care through his work, but if he were to lose that job he would have nothing and we could not afford to pay for health care.
Americans are always on the brink and the fear is that you will lose your health care.
If you lose it the insurance companies don't have to insure you if you have pre-existing conditions and they can charge high fees.
Health insurance companies can drop you if you get sick.
It is a mess.. I don't understand why this is the system people want, and they will fight Obama's health care.
If the republicans gain control we will lose any of the new health care initiatives.
Alceste
Vagabond
I seriously doubt the republicans will get elected. They don't even seem to be trying.
Biden is doing their job for them.
dawny0826
Mother Heathen
My problem with this is the reality of such change on our health care system - all of the currrent issues that need fixing and the fact that we don't have enough doctors and nurses to meet needs.
And the inevitable truth is that the quality of health care would be reduced. As a tax payer, I think it's perfectly reasonable to have concerns about the quality of health care that my family might receive.
And the inevitable truth is that the quality of health care would be reduced. As a tax payer, I think it's perfectly reasonable to have concerns about the quality of health care that my family might receive.
InfidelRiot
Active Member
It is not that they are not trying. It is just that they are doing what would have worked ten years ago before the younger generation reached voting age and Americans opened their eyes to the reality of how republicans are detrimental to everyone except the 2% who get their wonderful tax breaks. What many republicans, especially those who are poor and live in the bible belt, do not understand is that by voting republican just because of Jesus and guns is allowing the rich to take advantage of the fact that they will remain poor.
Alceste
Vagabond
And yet your health care system doesn't perform any better in terms of patient outcomes than countries with universal health care, all off whom pay about half what Americans pay or less. How do you figure this means the quality is likely to deteriorate? Either you spend as much as you spend now and it increases dramatically, or you spend half as much and it stays about the same. Hard to imagine the quality of US health care getting worse in my book, since some people don't have affordable access to health care at all.
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