MathewJames
mj
This is an interesting concept and I have heard this asked at several wedding ceremonies. But I have never heard GOD give an answer. No answer - does that mean yes or no for the approval?
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Why is it a sin to have sex before marriage?
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This is an interesting concept and I have heard this asked at several wedding ceremonies. But I have never heard GOD give an answer. No answer - does that mean yes or no for the approval?
MathewJames
mj
Have you thought about bringing three slave girls into the mix. You never know what will pop up.
Dezzie
Well-Known Member
But how do you know if God was the person who intended that? What if it was man? As I said in my first post, you can be just as commited in a relationship without legal marriage. I am sure God knows that as well.
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
MathewJames
mj
It was a poke about Muhammad.
Rainbow Mage
Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish
Marriage is a relic, and can you show me in what way western society for the most part hasn't moved past it? The divorce rate is higher then ever. What is it that keeps people marrying? I think it's government benefits. Even a lot of Christians no longer believe one must be married to have sex, just as long as it's "heterosexual" sex. Yeah the older ones might believe that, but not a lot of the younger ones.
MathewJames
mj
The federal income tax benefits. It is sad that the gays can not get in on it, at least not for now.
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
You realize I'm a Christian?
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
Marriage exists precisely for divorce.
Songbird
She rules her life like a bird in flight
What do you mean?
ninerbuff
godless wonder
How is it committing adultery if neither is married? That's not the definition even according to the bible.
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
its the marriage arrangement itself that is Gods approval... he instituted the first marriage between Adam and Eve when He 'brought the women to the man'...he was like a father giving away his daughter
in the church's it is followed in the same pattern, the father of the bride gives her away to the man, and under the arrangement of marriage, they get Gods approval.
MathewJames
mj
So in this arrangement GOD is appoving all marriages by the ceremony or by the bride being given away by her earthly father. I can kind of see that.
If the ceremony is not done in a traditional way or without a church. Say two people run off to Las Vegas and get married in the heat of the moment kind of think. Do you feel that is approved or disapproved by GOD?
ninerbuff
godless wonder
That is what you interpret from the bible. No where does it say it was the first marriage.
Marriage is a legal issue and has always been. If you look at the history, marriage was an "agreement" from the father of the bride and the groom.
Even today, without a marriage license and regardless if you went through a religious ceremony, marriage needs a legal document for it to be recognized. Same with divorce.
Dezzie
Well-Known Member
Okay but as I asked before... how do you know if God approves or disapproves? When God disapproves, does that mean he hits you and your Husband with 6 kids and a divorce? It doesn't really make sense. I understand what you are saying but it doesn't really explain my question.
Do you mean to say that if the bride's father approves, God does too? What if the father just does it to make his daughter happy, but doesn't exactly approve?
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
marriage shouldnt be taken lightly, its not something you should be able to buy from a weeties box if you know what i mean.
i know there are a lot of people who do not view marriage the way God views it but that doesnt mean that the institute of marriage is bad or anything. God instituted marriage and he approves when couples enter into it with the right motive and intentions. But its not like God sits above putting ticks of approval on everyone who gets married...im sure he doesnt. It just that marriage is itself the means by which he approves of 'coupling' and therefore sexual relations are permitted in this context.
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MathewJames
mj
Yes, now I understand what you mean. But I am still trying to figure out how you knew I got my ex-wife from a wheaties box.
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
It's a legal bond established for the equitable division of property and the insurance of the care of children in the case of separation.
If there's no marriage, there's no legal bond to be divided. This protection is quite valuable.
FluentYank3825
Ironic Idealist
I agree. An important lesson I have learned in my life is that human beings are different, social, and sexual beings. How each man or woman views sex is going to be different based upon the varying experiences and levels of socialization he/she has. As for me, I see sex as a power to be used for either harm or help. It has the potential to either seriously harm (ex: rape, pedophilia, porn abuse, etc.) or help (ex: increase interpersonal intimacy, conception and birth of children) humanity. As for me, I think marriage, as endorsed by the state, is a good tool for effective citizenship in it and serves as an objective symbol for commitment between the individuals in a couple. So long as you are willing to commit to the other person wholeheartedly, I think it's okay to have sex prior to marriage, although experience has taught me such willingness is more the exception than the rule, especially on the part of the man.
Statistics do show that, although on the flip side, they also show that a majority are still married (60+%), and many of them I am sure are religious as well. I have also heard that the divorce rate has been slowly declining from the highest rate of 43% since the late eighties. A majority of people in this country still marry and do stay married, based on that information.
That's what I've always wondered about conservative religious traditions. Why teach their younger members to abstain from sex until marriage and then suddenly flip their teachings around and say you can do it after marriage? It's a big shock to me that they do it this way, and although I am speculating on this, I think that many newly married couples within these religious traditions have little or no sexual preparation and therefore have to greatly struggle to shift their paradigms and schemas regarding sexual behavior, as you no doubt have, AE.