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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Evangelicalhumanist, Jan 1, 2021.

  1. KenS

    KenS Face to face with my Father
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    I think He is multi-lingual. I'm sure that when He told Moses "earth" - He said it in the language Moses understood. If He would have talked to Moses in today's English... I'm sure Moses wouldn't have understood. :)
     
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  2. URAVIP2ME

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    The old Hebrews Scriptures were written in: Hebrew.
    The ' book of generations ' (Genesis 5:1) covers or includes ' the generations ' of Genesis 1:1 to Genesis 2:4.
    So, Noah had that book or books in Hebrew to take on the Ark with him which Moses could use to write down the old Hebrew Scriptures for us.
    Since I can't read or write Hebrew then a Rabbi or other Jewish person could print Genesis 1:10 out for us with its pronunciation of Earth.
     
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    What if God is not one being among many (e.g. There is the computer screen; there is the desk; there is Zeus, and, look, there is God)?
     
  4. Evangelicalhumanist

    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    Sorry, that doesn't make any sense to me. I have no idea what you are trying to suggest.
     
  5. paarsurrey

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    How does one know right from wrong, please?
    How does one know error from non-error, please?
    How does one know perfect from imperfect, please?
    How does one know good from evil, please?
    How does one know sin from no-sin, please?
    Right friend, please?

    Regards
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  6. Jedster

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    Here's the Hebrew

    10And God called the dry land earth, and the gathering of the waters He called seas, and God saw that it was good. יוַיִּקְרָ֨א אֱלֹהִ֤ים | לַיַּבָּשָׁה֙ אֶ֔רֶץ וּלְמִקְוֵ֥ה הַמַּ֖יִם קָרָ֣א יַמִּ֑ים וַיַּ֥רְא אֱלֹהִ֖ים כִּי־טֽוֹב:

    PMFJI
    Note that in the Hebrew translation earth is not capitalized, as a pronoun would be.
    The planet was not named 'Earth', only the land was.
     
  7. Evangelicalhumanist

    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    Ask yourself this: if you lost your faith, would you -- at the same time:

    Lose your ability to tell right from wrong?
    Suddenly stop knowing good from bad?
     
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    Thank you for your ^ above ^ comprehensive reply.
    To me both dry land and the planet earth was named by God as: Earth - Genesis 1:10 ( I find No where does man name this planet as earth )
    ALL the other planets are Not named by God, they are Not being named in Scripture, but by man.
    ( I do take the liberty to use an Upper-Case letter "E" to emphasize something to stand out such as when I am referring to ' earth ' )
    But, thank you for your mention about the capital letter E and hope since I can't put emphasis verbally is why I use the capital E to stand out.
    I also sometimes use the Upper-Case letter "N" just to emphasize a word like "Not " so it will not be overlooked.
     
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  9. Jedster

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    Well, in Hebrew if earth wasmeant o be a pronoun, it would have ben preceeded with the letter hay, הַ, and the translation would have read
    And God called the dry land the Earth,

    Anyway, it's no big deal and I have no idea how the Earth was given it's name.

    Thanks for your reply.
     
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  10. paarsurrey

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    Kindly don't be angry, please. I asked the same question from our Christian [email protected] D. Brey , please. Right, please?

    Regards
     
  11. Evangelicalhumanist

    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    I want to go further on this, @paarsurrey, because it seems to be something that really bothers some believers -- even people that I consider to be very good already. They may think that they are very good only because of their faith, but I am not so certain.

    Implied in your question is the idea that a strong believer in God knows that it is wrong to kill, or to steal, or to molest children, only because they've been told so by God. They seem to be genuinely terrified that if they did not believe in God, they would somehow lose their belief that these things are wrong in themselves -- regardless of what god has to say about it. Oddly, I remain 100% certain that they would not do that -- that they could not do that.

    And I will say this, too. I know of religious people who, while they are supposed to know these things are wrong, have committed them anyway. And this is true in every religion, so I'm not holding any one faith in contempt.

    So I'll come to your question about "sin" and "not sin." Frankly, I'm uninterested in the notion of sin, because what it really means is not right or wrong, good or evil, but rather falling short, failing in some way that perhaps you might have avoided.

    Well, I'm human -- so are you. We are going to fall short from time to time, not do as well as we could have, or do things of which we might even be ashamed. I believe that, as humans, the best we can do with those is to make an effort to notice where we've fallen short, and to do better next time.

    Now, sometimes, if the error is bad enough, we may be required to do more penance -- maybe a fine or jail. Okay, so be it. But what I really object to is people who, while believing in God, do seriously bad things, and then hope that through "confession" (or prayerful repentence to God) that they can be absolved of those transgressions. My opinion is -- they cannot, but because they feel that they can, may come to believe that they can commit the same offense again, with the same easy way out.

    I do not require religion or God to tell me what is right and wrong. I have a human heart that knows all by itself.
     
  12. Evangelicalhumanist

    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    I am not at all angry. I think that the question is valid, but I think that in the last couple of posts I have answered to the best of my ability.
     
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    Thanks for one's above thoughts, please. One may revise one's thoughts anytime please.
    Regards
     
  14. KenS

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    Yes.

    Or, you could say it this way.

    Before I found faith, I had a different set of values of what was good and what was bad therefore one could say that I started realizing and knowing good from bad after I found faith.
     
  15. Evangelicalhumanist

    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    Gotta say, that's pretty telling.
     
  16. osgart

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    People are quite capable of reasoning and understanding right from wrong by learning and experiencing life for themselves.
     
  17. Misty Woods

    Misty Woods A Child of Our Almighty Creator Jehovah

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    I read your post twice, due the childhood commonalities that we share. So many children throughout this world are the very reason why the lyrics of ‘Hell Is For Children’ was written. As a horribly abused child myself, my heart hurts for whatever evils any and all adults put you through.

    So many of us, me included, either have or still do reason, that a loving God would not allow all the suffering that we experience and witness in this earth, and not receiving a satisfactory Scriptural answer for it. Belief in God is undermined in youth by constant repetition by teachers and educators that there is no God. And still others have been turned away from God because of the conflicting teachings and the atheistic leanings of religious leaders. Churches, instead of building faith in God, have been responsible for millions of persons turning toward atheistic communism. Their conflicting teachings, religious persecutions, warmongering and currying the favor of the rich and influential have caused many to reason that, if the churches represent God, then there must not be a God. Many responsible churchmen even admit religion’s guilt. The very atheism of Communism is a judgment upon the churches, which have usually been ornaments of the status quo, no matter how unjust it has been. The failure of the churches to imitate Christ and to provide accurate knowledge concerning God has prepared the way for atheism.


    The existence of evil and the suffering it has brought to mankind does not arbitrarily rule that a God of love does not exist. Such a view overlooks entirely man’s responsibility. It is like a patient who ignores a doctor’s instructions, and then denies the existence of the doctor because he is suffering. Or it is like a machinist who refuses to follow the manufacturer’s advice, and then, when his tools do not function properly, denies that the manufacturer exists. In such cases it would be foolish to question the existence of a compassionate doctor or a skilled manufacturer. The individual himself is to blame for the suffering and trouble.

    The Scriptures show that God created the first human pair perfect, with the prospect of enjoying life in an earthly paradise as long as they lived. This provision was an evidence of God’s love. But when mankind refused to follow God’s instructions, they suffered the consequences. This did not mean a loving God does not exist. God had warned them in advance what would happen; so it was man, not God, that was responsible for the suffering, sickness and death that followed.—Gen. 1:27, 28; Deut. 32:4, 5; Eccl. 7:29.

    True, it would not be loving to allow this suffering to continue indefinitely. Human wickedness and suffering have been tolerated only because an issue was raised in the Eden paradise. One of God’s many spirit creatures, Satan, of his own free will, influenced Adam and Eve to disobey God.

    In the presence of all the other spirit creatures, Satan’s, as well as Adam and Eve’s chosen behavior, called into question God’s creatorship and his justice in demanding obedience as a condition for life and yet seemingly not creating man with the capability of remaining loyal to God, of their own free will.

    So God has allowed a set period of time, to settle this question with mankind and all spirit creatures, as to whether humans can remain faithful under test.


    Philosopher Celestine N. Bittle wrote in his book God and His Creatures: “No people has ever been discovered which, in the strict sense of the term, is ‘atheistic.’ Individuals may be atheists; but a people, never. This universal belief is a tremendous fact.” It is strong evidence that man was originally created with the inherent inclination to acknowledge God’s existence.

    In order to satisfy man’s quest to know about Him, God provided man with an inspired record about Himself, that is the most translated, and most published book in all of history, and it can be found in every continent of the world. In this account God also explains man’s origin, why sickness and death exist and what hope there is for the future. The collection of these inspired writings is now generally known as the Holy Bible or Scriptures.—2 Tim. 3:16.


    The Scriptures are in harmony with man’s inherent inclination to acknowledge God’s existence and go to support it. They attribute the beautiful starry heavens, the marvelous earth and intelligent man to the handiwork of God. They state: “God created the heavens and the earth,” also, “God proceeded to create the man.” Yes, the evidence of the Scriptures, the natural dictate of human reason and the law and order that govern the universe all testify to the fact that God does exist.—Gen. 1:1, 27.


    In an article titled “Evolution and the Foundation of Ethics,” Evolutionist William B. Provine wrote “What we have learned about the evolutionary process has enormous implications for us, affecting our sense of meaning in life.” He concluded,“I can see no cosmic or ultimate meaning in human life.”

    If ultimate meaning in life were nonexistent, then you would have no purpose in living other than to try to do some measure of good and perhaps pass on your genetic traits to the next generation. At death, you would cease to exist forever. Your brain, with its ability to think, reason, and meditate on the meaning of life, would simply be an accident of nature.

    People who believe in evolution assert that God does not exist or that he will not intervene in human affairs. In either case, our future would rest in the hands of political, academic, and religious leaders. Judging from the past and present record of such power hungry humans, the chaos, conflict, and corruption that blight human society would continue. If, indeed, evolution were true, there would seem to be ample reason to live by the fatalistic motto: “Let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we are to die.”—1 Corinthians 15:32.

    By contrast, the Bible teaches: “With [God] is the source of life.” (Psalm 36:9) If this is true, then life does have meaning. Our Creator has a loving purpose that extends to all who choose to live in accord with his will. (Ecclesiastes 12:13) That purpose includes the promise of life in a world free of chaos, conflict, and corruption—and even free of death.—Psalm 37:10, 11; Isaiah 25:6-8.


    But there is at least one more vital factor that is responsible for so many questioning the existence of God. That is because they want to believe the lie that there is no God. God’s righteous law is an uncomfortable restriction. They want to be free to pursue their selfish course without the pangs of conscience that would gnaw at them should they be accountable to God’s law. And so, because they do “not accept the love of the truth . . . God lets an operation of error go to them, that they may get to believing the lie.”—2 Thess. 2:10, 11.
     
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