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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Skwim, Aug 12, 2018.

  1. Evangelicalhumanist

    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    As a lifelong reader, I have "wrestled" with a very great deal, and that includes the Bible. In fact, I've read that more carefully and critically than most people. I just don't restrict myself to that, as if it is the only source of wisdom for mankind. After all, it was written in a restricted cultural and geographic area, over a period that is not even close to the majority of human history, and without 99.9% of the actual knowledge of how things work, and how to find out how things work, that we have now.
     
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  2. Evangelicalhumanist

    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    Going further, I am aware that a great deal of importance is given to the Bible by most people in the west, but I find, in the grand scheme of things including the writings of the philosophers from Greece to Cambridge, and the great artistic thinkers from Aeschylus to Shakespeare to Annie Proulx, it's actually not very important at all. And much of it, let us not forget, is simply forgettable and often plain wrong.
     
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    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    I think we need to remember that the biblical canon was not intended to be the be-all-end-all. It was intended to be a “starting point.” “This is the stuff that’s ok to read in church.”
     
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    Yes, that is one of the logical possibilities.
    Here are the three mutually exclusive logical possibilities:
    1. God exists and sends Messengers who reveal scriptures (theist), or
    2. God exists and does not communicate to humanity (deist), or
    3. God does not exist and fallible human beings wrote the scriptures (atheist).
    You get to pick between door #1, 2 or 3... :) We all get to pick.
     
  5. Deeje

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    Oh dear....sounds like you have never made good choices in this regard....freedom is highly overrated IMO...all it does is make you a selfish bore and then you wonder why no one wants to spend time with you apart from your smelly booze buddies who never seem to be able to maintain a lasting relationship either.....:confused:

    We are designed for monogamous pairing.....but not everyone can make a success of it...only those who understand what makes a good relationship and what doesn't. It should never be based on sex.....it's a poor performance indicator for the more important aspects of a blended life. YES! Shock horror! :eek: There are way more important aspects to a lasting relationship than sex. o_O

    Truly successful people are those who can make allowance for the imperfections of others because they know they have them too. They are givers, not takers....they are good listeners not necessarily problem solvers. When the sexes understand what their partner needs and provides it, that is the key to success. Treat each other with respect and genuine unselfish love....it works.
     
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    I don't see G_d having any problem with sex. All I see Him doing is regulating the use of penises.
     
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    The laws were amended in three states, one of which was Georgia, which made
    it difficult to prosecute those having child porn on hard disk drives unless the law
    could prove the owner installed and accessed those images.

    There are ways that child porn will become mainstream like adult porn became mainstream in the 1980's and 1990's. Here is one of them - the overwhelming of law enforcement agencies by the sheer number of child porn cases.

    Child Porn Arrests on the Rise, But Why?

    At the National Strategy Conference on Combating Child Exploitation in San Jose, California on May 19, 2011, Attorney General Eric Holder Jr. said:

    “Unfortunately, we´ve also seen a historic rise in the distribution of child pornography, in the number of images being shared online, and in the level of violence associated with child exploitation and sexual abuse crimes. Tragically, the only place we´ve seen a decrease is in the age of victims.”


    Society now tolerates adultery, heroin, pornography and gambling, and soon - polygamy. It will be another 20 years I reckon before pederasty (pubescent child sex) become a hot button issue. Remember - all these other vices were once heavily criminalized.
     
  8. SkepticThinker

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    Actually it does clear it up a bit, thank you. I came away from your last post with a different impression.
     
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    Can you point out where in the body this supposed mechanism exists? I must be missing it or something because I don't have any STDs.

    I ask. Any responsible person would ask.

    STDs aren't caused by having sex with multiple partners. They're caused by having unprotected intimate interaction with someone who is already infected with one. Using protection ensures that we are not having sex with every other person our partners have had sex with.

    Ah, so there is a way to contract an STD without having sexual intercourse, through no fault of one’s own.

    The way I see it, the real problem here is lack of responsibility and use of proper protection.

    Aren’t there a bunch of people in the Bible who practiced polygamy? Solomon comes to mind. Is polygamy a part of God’s moral standard that would have prevented “all that?”

    Unless you kiss a person with herpes or have sex with someone who contracted an STD at birth or shared a needle with an infected person or receive a tainted blood transfusion.

    Everybody else can do what they want, but I don't want to lock myself into a lifelong relationship with someone before I know whether we have any sexual chemistry or not.


    It's really not that difficult or horrifying if one just uses protection. I'm just happy I don't live back in the days when everyone was running around with syphilis.

    It's really just about being responsible and safe.
     
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    The part of your post I was referring to was the part I highlighted, which was:

    "Eventually, seeing children as sex objects will become mainstream. It will come
    either through child right laws, pornography, virtual pornography, cultural wars or
    the general commercial and social sexualization of kids. Sadly, this will be as
    common as polygamy."

    I see society going in the opposite direction you do. And I think what's going on right now in Pennsylvania where leaders within the Catholic Church are being exposed for abusing children for 70+ years and the Church being complicit in covering up those crimes is a prime example of that. These things are coming out into the open now, and being dealt with, far more than they ever have before. The MeToo movement is another example that helps illuminate what's been going on for so long and how we're finally dealing with systematic abuse.

    I would say that child porn is more readily available now than it was in the '80s simply because the internet did not exist back in the 1980's.

    I don't see child pornography ever becoming mainstream and I don't think you've made the case for that.
     
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    According to the CDC....

    "INFECTIOUS AGENT
    Sexually transmitted diseases (STDs) are the infections and resulting clinical syndromes caused by approximately 30 infectious organisms.

    TRANSMISSION
    Sexual activity is the predominant mode of transmission, through genital, anal, or oral mucosal contact.

    EPIDEMIOLOGY
    STDs are among the most common infectious diseases and can be caused by bacterial, viral, and parasitic pathogens. Annually, an estimated 19.7 million sexually transmitted infections occur in the United States alone. Worldwide, an estimated 498 million cases of chlamydia, gonorrhea, syphilis, and trichomoniasis occur each year. Some STDs are more prevalent in developing countries (chancroid, lymphogranuloma venereum [LGV], granuloma inguinale [donovanosis]) or in specific regions (gonorrhea with treatment failure and decreased susceptibility to cephalosporins in Asia) and may be imported into other countries by travelers returning from such locales. Infection with multiple STDs is common. Additionally, infection with an STD can facilitate the sexual transmission of HIV. Casual sexual relationships occur frequently during travel to foreign countries. In a systematic review published in 2010, the pooled prevalence of travel-associated casual sex among foreign travelers was 20.4%. In addition, commercial sex in various destinations, such as Southeast Asia, attracts many foreign travelers. Commercial sex workers in some regions have high rates of STDs, including HIV, and travelers who have sex with them risk acquiring these infections.

    Knowledge of the clinical presentation, frequency of infection, and antimicrobial resistance patterns is needed to manage STDs that occur in travelers. Assessing risk for men who have sex with men is important because of the recent increased rates of infectious syphilis, gonorrhea with treatment failure and decreased susceptibility to cephalosporins, and LGV in various geographic locations."

    Sexually Transmitted Diseases - Chapter 3 - 2018 Yellow Book | Travelers' Health | CDC


    I will leave you to contemplate that information.....
     
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    Mainstream is hard to define. Porn went mainstream with a lot more subtlety
    than gay marriage. It kind of crept up on people. "Something about Mary" was
    one of those interesting moments in the history of porn.
    And so it's going to be with pedophilia. The numbers of people, now in the
    tens of millions, just keep growing.
    Pederasty, on the other hand, will probably arrive with some fanfare, and its
    practitioners will demand the name be changed to avoid associations with
    pedophilia (this happened with words like spinster, widow, living in sin etc..)
    I am not saying I like it, it's just as it's going to be.
     
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    I'm aware of all this. What is it specifically that you are trying to point out to me? Do you support comprehensive sexual health education?
     
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    I really don't see it happening. How do you explain the examples from my last post in light of your view on pedophilia becoming acceptable?

    I grew up in the '80s watching John Hughes and Wes Craven movies. There's Something About Mary is pretty tame in comparison. Masturbation references aren't all that new . I think porn has become more "mainstream" simply because it's become more accessible over the last few decades. It probably started becoming more accessible right around the time BetaMax and VHS came out. Though pornographic magazines have been around a lot longer than that. The most important thing about porn to this discussion though, is that it involves consenting adults. Child pornography does not. There's your big difference, I think. And the most important reason why it will never become "mainstream."
     
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    Point taken. All we have to do is get "consenting minors"
    This is hard.
    It will have to come through some other window.
    Virtual porn is one way.
    Child rights is another.
    The general sexualization of children is on-going (remember when child
    beauty pageants 20 years ago would outrage people? Not these days)
    "No child was harmed in the making of this video" could be another.
     
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    Minors can't consent. Adults can.

    I'm one of the people who would say that children's beauty pageants are terrible. Adults ones are as well, but at least the participants can grasp the concept of it.
     
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    Well, he is described as being a jealous god........I mean, where would a god find a date?
     
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    God is not looking for a date. God is fully self-subsisting, and has no need for a partner. :D
     
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    And yet obsesses over sex.......but yeah, one would think a god would have no need for anything, least of all sacrifices and worship.
     
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    God is not obsessed over sex, He just tells us to keep it zipped up more than some people want to keep it zipped up, and that is for our own good.

    God has no need for sacrifices or worship. God has no need for anything.
    God wants us to worship Him for our own good, not for His good.
     
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