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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Skwim, Aug 12, 2018.

  1. Skwim

    Skwim Veteran Member

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    Sorry they're so embarrassing that you evidently feel they should be dismissed.

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    o_O What does that have to do with anything i said?
     
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    Or, God doesn't exist and fallible human beings wrote the religious texts. ;)
     
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    You went on about all ungodly people abusing children while completely ignoring the "godly" people who have systematically been sexually abusing children (and systematically covering it up) for 70+.

    Have you read the news about the Catholic Church in Pennsylvania today?
     
  5. sojourner

    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    Not dismissed, just fully parsed out and in context. It’s the quote-mining part that’s embarrassing...
     
  6. Skwim

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    As if preachers and such don't do the very same thing every Sunday morning. No, my citations stand on their own two sandals, and I believe you know it. Thing is . . .

    You're contending that something in the passage that contains "the word of our God stands forever" somehow qualifies how god's word stands to mean something else. Fine, then let's hear it.

    You're contending that something in the passage that contains "You shall not add to the word which I command you, nor take from it," somehow qualifies how god's word stands to mean something else. Fine, then let's hear it.

    You're contending that something in the passage that contains "Every word of God is pure; He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him. Do not add to His words," somehow qualifies how god's word stands to mean something else. Fine, then let's hear it.

    You're contending that something in the passage that contains "if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life," somehow qualifies how god's word stands to mean something else. Fine, then let's hear it.


    So let's see how the Bible qualifies these pronouncements of god. That god doesn't really mean what he says here.

    BALL'S IN YOUR COURT.

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  7. sojourner

    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    I don’t. Neither does any other preacher I know.

    Disparate texts never stand on their own.

    “Word of God” here doesn’t mean “Bible.” It means “truth.” This is a prophecy.

    These are commandments given at the time — law for a particular context. I’d need the context to know specifically which commandments, and for what they were meant.
    Proverbs. It’s poetic — this doesn’t mean “Bible.”
    Revelation. It’s a dream of a prophecy. Doesn’t mean “Bible.”

    These aren’t “pronouncemensts of “God.” They’re pronouncements of people.

    The Bible is multivalent. It rarely means what a simple, surface reading out of context shows it to mean.
     
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    Yes. I heard the news.
    As you know, that has been going on for years.

    I would hope though that persons do not get sidetracked from what I was saying.
    My post was in response to the OP, which the OP(er) refused to consider, I believe because it addressed problems with his argument which he didn't want to consider.
    However, I appreciate that you considered it.

    My post was not about ungodly people (Perhaps you can point out where you got that impression), as it was not intended to be focused on that as much as it was about ungodly acts.
    It simply addressed the erroneous assertions that were made in the OP about sex being hated by God, and what seemed to be encouraging illicit sex.

    All I did was show that the title was not true, since sex was a product of God's design, since he created the sexual organs, and the sensual pleasure one derives from it. Then I went on to show that it was depraved mental thinking driven by Satan that caused men to worship sex and the sexual organs with sad consequences - some of those including rape of children, etc.

    I did not include or exclude anyone, as far as I know.
    I myself would be included, if I became a sex pervert, as most in the world is - including those in the church, taking the lead, or kissing the Pope's feet.

    In fact, since you mentioned godly people, just let me make this point.
    Apostle Paul's words...
    2 Corinthians 7:8-11
    8 For even if I saddened you by my letter, I do not regret it. Even if I did at first regret it (seeing that the letter saddened you, though only for a little while), 9 now I rejoice, not because you were just saddened, but because you were saddened into repenting. For you were saddened in a godly way, so that you suffered no harm because of us. 10For sadness in a godly way produces repentance leading to salvation, leaving no regret; but the sadness of the world produces death. 11 For see what a great earnestness your being saddened in a godly way produced in you, yes, clearing of yourselves, yes, indignation, yes, fear, yes, earnest desire, yes, zeal, yes, righting of the wrong! In every respect you demonstrated yourselves to be pure in this matter.

    One can see from this, that a godly person demonstrates by his actions that he is indeed godly.
    To do otherwise means the opposite - he is ungodly.

    So evidently, just because someone is in the church, or professes to serve God, it does not mean they are godly, or holy.

    I hope that clarifies my position.
     
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  9. KenS

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    Actually, it was Jewish writers that told us.
     
  10. sojourner

    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    Was it? Or was it gentiles.
     
  11. KenS

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    Jewish.
     
  12. sojourner

    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    Nope. Not all of them.
     
  13. KenS

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    Enough of them. - the one that wasn't only transcribed what his Jewish masters told him about.
     
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    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    There was more than one.
     
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    If you say so.
     
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    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    On that basis, added to the easily demonstrated fact that so many denominations and sects disagree vehemently with one another (to the point of war and horrifying punishment of "heretics"), I contend that the Bible cannot actually be understood properly at all.

    And also, as you've said, since it contains the "pronouncements of people," why on earth should I be expected to hold those pronouncements in any more esteem than the billions and billions of other pronouncements by other people, many a lot smarter, a lot more cogent, a lot more erudite, poetic, understanding and compassionate, than those who pronounced in the Bible?
     
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    God created sex, he obviously does not hate it but he does hate the misuse of what he created. Impure sexual acts cause more misery and death than I could possibly post, I would hope God would hate that. In most cases sin is the misuse of something that can be used for good.
     
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  18. Deeje

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    You are responding to the highlighted section here ....."So, far from hating sex....God wanted and needed to regulate it.
    In the animal kingdom it is self-regulating, but in humans, moral issues come into the equation. Ignoring God's sexual laws also leads to sexually transmitted diseases. We are not physically designed to have more than one sexual partner, so the more partners we have, the more prone we are to contracting them. "

    So yes, I am saying that in human physiology there is a mechanism that accommodates a single sexual partner, rather than multiple sexual partners. STD's are caused by having sex with multiple partners....consider how many sexual partners, your partners have had? When you have unprotected sex with one person, you are also having sex with every person they have ever slept with. Do you personally know their full sexual history? Who asks?

    When AIDS Was rampant in the 80's it was spread through homosexual sex and even into the heterosexual population when bisexual people had sex with both genders. It decimated whole populations in some nations. Children were born with the disease when infected men brought it home to their wives. Following the Bible's moral standards would have prevented all that.

    Sex with a single person who has never had sex with anyone else will never result in sexually transmitted disease. The Bible recommends that marriage takes place between two virgins. That speaks for itself IMO.

    If you dodge the bullet of STD's these days it's more like playing Russian Roulette.
     
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    To take a woman is to say farewell to freedom.
     
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    “Understanding” it isn’t the goal. Wrestling with it is the goal.

    I never said you should.
     
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