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Why do you dislike Islam?

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
During the Golden age of Islam students were traveling to Andalusia and Baghdad
to gain knowledge, today Arabs are traveling to Europe to gain knowledge and we
can see great Arabian scientists, professors, surgeons ...etc working in the west, one of many is Adnan Mjalli who's starving to find the best cure for diseases.
Small drug company tackles big-time diseases[/QUOTE]
I didn't say that they started science but they did a huge improvements on sciences.
How Islamic inventors changed the world


So basically what many of us have argued all along,not because of Islam.
 
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FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
During the Golden age of Islam students were traveling to Andalusia and Baghdad
to gain knowledge, today Arabs are traveling to Europe to gain knowledge and we
can see great Arabian scientists, professors, surgeons ...etc working in the west, one of many is Adnan Mjalli who's starving to find the best cure for diseases.
Small drug company tackles big-time diseases

I didn't say that they started science but they did a huge improvements on sciences.
How Islamic inventors changed the world
So basically what many of us have argued all along,not because of Islam.

It was the golden age of Islam but not because of Islam, so what was the cause?
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
:moneybag::moneybag::moneybag::moneybag: + conquering scientifically advanced people + patronage of the sciences + translating diverse texts into a common language + relative social stability.

Which people were scientifically advanced and what they did regarding science?
 

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
Female genital mutilation
Pushing homosexuals off of towers
Burning people alive in a cage
Honor killings
Throwing acid in faces
Cutting of the hands of theives
Stoning adulterers
Misogyny
Terrorism

What does Islam the world offer to offset that?



1) pushing homosexuals off towers was ISIS not Islam nor is it mandated in Islam.
2) Burning people alive is ISIS or extremists not Islam nor is it a mandated punishment in Islam
3) honor killings is not a part of Islam in actuality honor killings go as far back as the Roman times. Indians (Hindus) perform the same thing.
4) Throwing acid in peoples faces is not Islam nor is it mandated.
5) Cutting the hands off thieves is Shari'ah Law but one can be forgiven if one states that in the court. Depends on the court of law.
6) Stoning of adulterers depends on the court of law but ask a Muslim knowledgeable of shari'ah Law.
7) Misogyny really? What is misogynistic about Islam that is no different than Judaism and Christianity?
8) Terrorism is not a part of Islam in fact:

"Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land – it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one – it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors."

Your reasons are media based, not based on logic nor intellect.
 
Which people were scientifically advanced and what they did regarding science?

Some of those in the Roman and the Persian Empire. Look at most Golden Age figures, they were from Persia, Khorusan, North Africa, etc. places with scholarly traditions dating back centuries: sciences, philosophy. engineering, etc.

Think of it as being like when the Romans conquered the Greeks, they still had the Greek philosophical & scientific traditions, just different overlords.

What they did was the entire history of Roman/Greek and Persian science. Science is cumulative, you learn from those who came before and improve on their ideas. Just as later scientists learned from and improved on the ideas from science tat developed in the Islamic Empires after their power and wealth declined.
 

Notanumber

A Free Man
1) pushing homosexuals off towers was ISIS not Islam nor is it mandated in Islam.
2) Burning people alive is ISIS or extremists not Islam nor is it a mandated punishment in Islam
3) honor killings is not a part of Islam in actuality honor killings go as far back as the Roman times. Indians (Hindus) perform the same thing.
4) Throwing acid in peoples faces is not Islam nor is it mandated.
5) Cutting the hands off thieves is Shari'ah Law but one can be forgiven if one states that in the court. Depends on the court of law.
6) Stoning of adulterers depends on the court of law but ask a Muslim knowledgeable of shari'ah Law.
7) Misogyny really? What is misogynistic about Islam that is no different than Judaism and Christianity?
8) Terrorism is not a part of Islam in fact:

"Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land – it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one – it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors."

Your reasons are media based, not based on logic nor intellect.

Who are the hypocrites?

Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward." The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, who were led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are killed in battle as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah. This is the theological basis for today's suicide bombers.

The Quran's Verses of Violence
 

danieldemol

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
7) Misogyny really? What is misogynistic about Islam that is no different than Judaism and Christianity?
Why assume everyone you talk to is Jew or Christian? Also what about comparing liberal Jews and liberal Christians with fundamentalist Muslims?
 

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
Who are the hypocrites?

Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward." The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, who were led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are killed in battle as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah. This is the theological basis for today's suicide bombers.

The Quran's Verses of Violence

SMH and here is the response:

"Deceptive critics of Islam quote first part of Q 4:74 and beginning of Q 4:76-77, and show people who have no knowledge about Islam, that Muslims are encouraged in the Quran to wage violence against unbelievers. However, when we read the passage in its context, it exposes Islamophobe lies. Let’s read the passage in textual context,"

So let those fight in the cause of Allah who sell the life of this world for the Hereafter. And he who fights in the cause of Allah and is killed or achieves victory – We will bestow upon him a great reward.
4:75 And what is [the matter] with you that you fight not in the cause of God and [for] the oppressed among men, women, and children who say, “Our Lord, take us out of this city of oppressive people and appoint for us from Yourself a protector and appoint for us from Yourself a helper?”

"What is wrong with you, that you do not fight: this is an interrogative of rebuke, in other words, there is nothing to prevent you from fighting, in the way of God, and for, the deliverance of, the oppressed men, women, and children, whom the disbelievers persecuted and prevented from emigrating. Ibn ‘Abbās, may God be pleased with him and his father, said, ‘My mother and I were among them’; who say, supplicating, ‘O, our Lord, bring us forth from this town, Mecca, whose people are evildoers, through unbelief, and appoint for us a protector from You, to take charge of our affair, and appoint for us from You a helper’, to defend us against them. God responded to their supplication and facilitated escape for some of them, while others remained behind until Mecca was conquered — in charge of them the Prophet (s) placed ‘Attāb b. Asīd, who proceeded to seek justice for the wronged from those that had wronged them.”

Source:Quran 4:74-77 ‘Let those fight in the way of Allah…’ Critics Deceit Exposed

In other words Muslims are encouraged to defend the oppressed against the oppressor....Nice try, next time do more research.
 

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
Why assume everyone you talk to is Jew or Christian? Also what about comparing liberal Jews and liberal Christians with fundamentalist Muslims?

I don't know but typically most outspoken critics of Islam tend to be Christian. In my experience, typically people who are critics of Islam are pretty much ignorant of it and don't do research.
 

Notanumber

A Free Man
SMH and here is the response:

"Deceptive critics of Islam quote first part of Q 4:74 and beginning of Q 4:76-77, and show people who have no knowledge about Islam, that Muslims are encouraged in the Quran to wage violence against unbelievers. However, when we read the passage in its context, it exposes Islamophobe lies. Let’s read the passage in textual context,"

So let those fight in the cause of Allah who sell the life of this world for the Hereafter. And he who fights in the cause of Allah and is killed or achieves victory – We will bestow upon him a great reward.
4:75 And what is [the matter] with you that you fight not in the cause of God and [for] the oppressed among men, women, and children who say, “Our Lord, take us out of this city of oppressive people and appoint for us from Yourself a protector and appoint for us from Yourself a helper?”

"What is wrong with you, that you do not fight: this is an interrogative of rebuke, in other words, there is nothing to prevent you from fighting, in the way of God, and for, the deliverance of, the oppressed men, women, and children, whom the disbelievers persecuted and prevented from emigrating. Ibn ‘Abbās, may God be pleased with him and his father, said, ‘My mother and I were among them’; who say, supplicating, ‘O, our Lord, bring us forth from this town, Mecca, whose people are evildoers, through unbelief, and appoint for us a protector from You, to take charge of our affair, and appoint for us from You a helper’, to defend us against them. God responded to their supplication and facilitated escape for some of them, while others remained behind until Mecca was conquered — in charge of them the Prophet (s) placed ‘Attāb b. Asīd, who proceeded to seek justice for the wronged from those that had wronged them.”

Source:Quran 4:74-77 ‘Let those fight in the way of Allah…’ Critics Deceit Exposed

In other words Muslims are encouraged to defend the oppressed against the oppressor....Nice try, next time do more research.

The Quran is a spin-doctors delight.

I might do more research but the big question is, are Muslims encouraged to do the same or is it a golden rule that Islam must not be questioned.
 
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