I have asked this question once I believe in this forum but I cannot remember clearly. There was a recent discussion that triggered this question.
A: Muhammed ordered killing of a woman
B: Why do you believe that?
A: Because its in the hadith.
B: Why do you believe that hadith?
A: Because Muslims do.
B: Do you believe everything Muslims believe?
A: Not everything, but the hadith are all true because Muslims believe it.
B: So do you believe Muhammed split the moon?
A: I dont care.
Hope you get the gist. I would like some insight from you if you have some time.
Peace.
They want to believe, or insist upon others believing, something or anything which makes Muhammed appear evil, and Muslims to appear evil from the beginning.
They do not believe anything really, except that everything rotten and horrible must be the source of Islam, its origin, its history.
They certainly don't believe in any miracle or splitting of the moon business, and even if anyone goes so far as to think that such was actually ever witnessed, they may say that was an illusion cast by the powerful Devil they may believe in.
There are two groups of people:
People who believe some or all of the hadith
People who disbelieve in all of the hadith
maybe we can throw in those who are neutral or agnostic about it, but they generally might fall into one of those two other categories or lean towards one or the other.
Though I generally disbelieve in the hadith entirely, I am of the opinion that even if it were true, it is damaging and not what is best.
So similar to the people who don't care about the Hadith really but like it for how bad they can make Muhammed or Muslims sound, I am like a version of them except opposite, who want that the Hadith are put aside in favor of the Qur'an much more strongly, for the reason that I think what is in the Hadith (even if it were partially true or entirely true in every regard) is misleading, confusing, harmful, takes the mind to wrong and bad places, and causes harm to people ultimately and their mentality, giving ammunition to too many types of Muslims I don't like and too many types of Creep Non-Muslim Islam Haters I also don't like.
In the "Proof of Islam" thread, there is a person names Tokita, who seems to really dislike Islam quite strongly, but they heavily insist upon the importance of the Hadith, because they can't find much to fuss about or use to make Muslims appear as villains or imbeciles without those texts, so they insist that people must follow what they think is worst and wrong, just so they can have a reason to hate and destroy. That is because their intention is never to improve Islam or make it workable or usable for people, but that people should be forced or pressured to entirely abandon Islam without any compromise. Unfortunately, it is more than likely that those who abandon Islam entirely will also find no warm kinship really among the people who might mistreat them for their appearances, their ancestry, their skin pigmentation, their names, or whatever else.
Ultimately, they may never be satisfied with one another, since hate is a festering disease and Islam is only the entry point to what grows underneath it all, which is more than likely just straight up petty racism, not too different from the argument of Iblis "they are made of mud, I am made of flame" or whatever, the first "Hater" we know of, and their true spiritual Daddy.
