Why do Athiest spend so much energy on something they don't believe in?

[dust1n]

I realize that is pointless but I’ll have another go at this issue. It is the godless that wishes that Islam be fought and bombed out of existence to direct their attention to other faiths. I return your advice “I would start considering your world view” you need it more than me, I don’t know your reason for your hatred of religion, but it is clear that it got you blinded.

Also, I didn't give you advice to "consider your world view"... I said if your religion wasn't so adamant in the war, I might consider your world view.

 

[Moonstone]

* This is just my opinion *

Atheists are probably tired of having religion pushed on them all the time.
One example of this is gay marriage in the US. (not saying all Atheists are gay ) Atheists don't believe in the laws of the Bible, yet because the majority of Americans do, gays (including Atheists) are unable to marry in most states.

Religion affects Atheists a lot more than you think, and I can understand why they are so involved with it.​

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

* This is just my opinion *

Atheists are probably tired of having religion pushed on them all the time.
One example of this is gay marriage in the US. (not saying all Atheists are gay ) Atheists don't believe in the laws of the Bible, yet because the majority of Americans do, gays (including Atheists) are unable to marry in most states.

Religion affects Atheists a lot more than you think, and I can understand why they are so involved with it.​

Exactly. We have no say in laws made solely because of religious fanaticism, and that is very frustrating, especially when we are supposed to live in a society that separates church from state.

 

[Amill]

"Befuddle," really? I'm saying the focus of Athiest's literature seems unbalanced, it leans further towards Why religion is dumb then what good can be done by humans.

Then those atheists must enjoy discussing and showing off their dislike for religion, otherwise they wouldn't be doing it. It seriously is no different than someone talking about what they dislike in politics.

 

[emiliano]

It might be the 'godless' that wishes that Islam be fought and bombed out of existence, but it certainly isn't the self-proclaimed atheists.



I don't hate religion. I hate religion that rallies around a war cry. If blinded is acknowledging the Christian rhetoric that lead the majority of people in this country to start a war (a country that is predominantly Christian) than blind I must be.

Of course, I'm still trying to figure how you think 11 percent of the nation somehow convinced all the god fearing people to start a billion dollar war, and why Christians pay their taxes despite the situation.
I am glad that you accept that all wars are mostly political and economical. What I don’t get is your next assertion “religion is only used to convince people who don't understand this to support the war” politician use patriotism and it works for them pretty well, most of the participant in these war say that they are defending their country and their economies, they die and kill for their countries and their economic power.
This is more noticeable in countries such as the USA. UK. To cite two examples.

I am glad that you accept that all wars are mostly political and economical. What I don’t get is your next assertion “religion is only used to convince people who don't understand this to support the war” politician use patriotism and it works for them pretty well, most of the participant in these war say that they are defending their country and their economies, they die and kill for their countries and their economic power.
This is more noticeable in countries such
I am glad that you accept that all wars are mostly political and economical. What I don’t get is your next assertion “religion is only used to convince people who don't understand this to support the war” politician use patriotism and it works for them pretty well, most of the participant in these war say that they are defending their country and their economies, they die and kill for their countries and their economic power.
This is more noticeable in countries such as the USA. UK. To cite two examples.
as the USA. UK. To cite two examples.
I agree with you that the war is actually political and economic.. religion is only used to convince people who don't understand this to support the war.

I am glad that you accept that all wars are mostly political and economical. What I don’t get is your next assertion “religion is only used to convince people who don't understand this to support the war” politician use patriotism and it works for them pretty well, most of the participant in these war say that they are defending their country and their economies, they die and kill for their countries and their economic power.
This is more noticeable in countries such as the USA. UK. To cite two examples.
I haven't heard of soldier say that they are there to defend God, what they say is that they are there to defend their country.

 

[MSizer]

"Why do Athiest spend so much energy on something they don't believe in?"

Because there is a widespread fallacy that religious tolerance and moderacy is laudable. I don't agree. I believe that rational thought is the only way to improve our lives. Mythological beliefs lead some people to do irrational things. If it only affected their own lives, then I wouldn't worry so much about it, but it affects the lives of others as well.

 

[jtartar]

What is the point? Most Atheist websites are just full of arguments and quotations against God. I thought about what the most meaningful thing in life was in the hypothetical situation that there was no God. The conclusion I came up with is living for others. Ralph Waldo Emerson once said- It is one of the most beautiful compensations of this life that no man can sincerely try to help another without helping himself. Shouldn't this be the most highly exalted virtue of any humanist philosophy: The "golden rule." "Eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow we die." And what brings more joy then to live together in love. If not then what is the best focus to have, or what brings joy?

Sonic247,
Since atheists have nothing to live for, since they believe that this life is all there is, they are not satisfied just to let people believe in God if they want to. Many Atheists believe that since they have nothing to live for, they want to destroy other people's hope. You see, many atheists are not only atheists they are also, what is called APOSTATES, meaning they want to draw other people away from their belief in God.
Atheists do not really understand what they are doing, because anyone who tries to stumble another out of the faith is setting himself up for everlasting death in the Lake of Fire, Matt 18:6,7, Rev 20:14,15, 2Pet 3:14-18.

 

[MSizer]

Sonic247,
Since atheists have nothing to live for, since they believe that this life is all there is, they are not satisfied just to let people believe in God if they want to. Many Atheists believe that since they have nothing to live for, they want to destroy other people's hope. You see, many atheists are not only atheists they are also, what is called APOSTATES, meaning they want to draw other people away from their belief in God.
Atheists do not really understand what they are doing, because anyone who tries to stumble another out of the faith is setting himself up for everlasting death in the Lake of Fire, Matt 18:6,7, Rev 20:14,15, 2Pet 3:14-18.

That is utterly unfounded. You find me an atheist who thinks s/he has nothing to live for. Good luck. As for your alleged apostates, I don't know any, though I know many atheists. Atheists IMO are not highly vocal to begin with, but those who are in my experience simply push separation of state and church and the importance of reason and rational thinking.

 

[JMorris]

Sonic247,
Since atheists have nothing to live for, since they believe that this life is all there is, they are not satisfied just to let people believe in God if they want to. Many Atheists believe that since they have nothing to live for, they want to destroy other people's hope. You see, many atheists are not only atheists they are also, what is called APOSTATES, meaning they want to draw other people away from their belief in God.
Atheists do not really understand what they are doing, because anyone who tries to stumble another out of the faith is setting himself up for everlasting death in the Lake of Fire, Matt 18:6,7, Rev 20:14,15, 2Pet 3:14-18.

:drool::ignore:

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

Sonic247,
Since atheists have nothing to live for, since they believe that this life is all there is, they are not satisfied just to let people believe in God if they want to. Many Atheists believe that since they have nothing to live for, they want to destroy other people's hope. You see, many atheists are not only atheists they are also, what is called APOSTATES, meaning they want to draw other people away from their belief in God.
Atheists do not really understand what they are doing, because anyone who tries to stumble another out of the faith is setting himself up for everlasting death in the Lake of Fire, Matt 18:6,7, Rev 20:14,15, 2Pet 3:14-18.

Lake of Fire, huh?

 

[dust1n]

Sonic247,
Since atheists have nothing to live for, since they believe that this life is all there is, they are not satisfied just to let people believe in God if they want to. Many Atheists believe that since they have nothing to live for, they want to destroy other people's hope. You see, many atheists are not only atheists they are also, what is called APOSTATES, meaning they want to draw other people away from their belief in God.
Atheists do not really understand what they are doing, because anyone who tries to stumble another out of the faith is setting himself up for everlasting death in the Lake of Fire, Matt 18:6,7, Rev 20:14,15, 2Pet 3:14-18.

So are you trying to say you don't have a reason to live outside of that book?

No reason to insist others don't have other reasons to live.

 

[dust1n]

I am glad that you accept that all wars are mostly political and economical. What I don’t get is your next assertion “religion is only used to convince people who don't understand this to support the war” politician use patriotism and it works for them pretty well, most of the participant in these war say that they are defending their country and their economies, they die and kill for their countries and their economic power.
This is more noticeable in countries such as the USA. UK. To cite two examples.

Religion and patriotism go hand and hand.

I haven't heard of soldier say that they are there to defend God, what they say is that they are there to defend their country.

No, but they will think that God is defending them.

 

[emiliano]

Religion and patriotism go hand and hand.

No, but they will think that God is defending them.

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So, what these translate into? Hope, right? And what is Hope? Hope=happiness, what wrong with that?
Patriotism is what attracts the Godless as well as the religious so if you want to end wars you must tackle patriotism first and I wish luck with that! More wars and treats of war are presently pushed by Godless nations (those where atheism is their Philosophy) where atheism is the state religion.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Trebuchet MS]So, what these translate into? Hope, right? And what is Hope? Hope=happiness, what wrong with that?[/FONT][/COLOR][/QUOTE]
Erm, the fact that people are happy to [U]fight and die[/U] for the sake of that hope?  I would say that's something pretty seriously wrong with it.

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Atheism is neither a philosophy nor a religion.  Not a single war throughout history was done or justified in the name of atheism.  Have there been world atheist world leaders who started wars?  Sure there has, but their atheism had about as much to do with the wars they started as Hitler's mustache had to do with him causing the holocaust.  Atheism is never used as a justification for horrific acts, even though horrific acts can be done by atheists.  Religion, on the other hand, is commonly used to justify the horrific acts, including wars.

 

[dust1n]

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So, what these translate into? Hope, right? And what is Hope? Hope=happiness, what wrong with that?

Well, hope is not happiness. If you are happy, why would you hope for anything, you already have it. What's wrong with this is it gives sole reasons for people to commit atrocities, because to them, their actions have been moralized by God.

Patriotism is what attracts the Godless as well as the religious so if you want to end wars you must tackle patriotism first and I wish luck with that!

I'm just saying, God did for US soldiers what the 'promise of communism' did for Russian soldiers. I don't blame God for doing it - he's just one more excuse to kill someone.

More wars and treats of war are presently pushed by Godless nations (those where atheism is their Philosophy) where atheism is the state religion.

Keep dreaming.

 

[darkendless]

What is the point? Most Atheist websites are just full of arguments and quotations against God. I thought about what the most meaningful thing in life was in the hypothetical situation that there was no God. The conclusion I came up with is living for others. Ralph Waldo Emerson once said- It is one of the most beautiful compensations of this life that no man can sincerely try to help another without helping himself. Shouldn't this be the most highly exalted virtue of any humanist philosophy: The "golden rule." "Eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow we die." And what brings more joy then to live together in love. If not then what is the best focus to have, or what brings joy?

Religion and preaching are unfortunately far too agressive to ignore in some countries. Thus, it is best to try and understand what the hell they're babbling about than be ignorant of it.

 

[emiliano]

Erm, the fact that people are happy to fight and die for the sake of that hope? I would say that's something pretty seriously wrong with it.
Atheism is neither a philosophy nor a religion. Not a single war throughout history was done or justified in the name of atheism. Have there been world atheist world leaders who started wars? Sure there has, but their atheism had about as much to do with the wars they started as Hitler's mustache had to do with him causing the holocaust. Atheism is never used as a justification for horrific acts, even though horrific acts can be done by atheists. Religion, on the other hand, is commonly used to justify the horrific acts, including wars.

Erm, the fact that people are happy to fight and die for the sake of that hope? I would say that's something pretty seriously wrong with it.

??????????? What I am talking about is the hope of another life with God and inhabitance in the Kingdom of God and that kingdom is at hand (been established) God will gather His people, there is no hope on establish a kingdom that God does not establish Himself and there is nothing like it. Who is presently fighting and dying for this hope? Do you think that we are fighting to establish the kingdom in Iraq or Afghanistan?

Atheism is neither a philosophy nor a religion.
Marx was a Philosopher and wrote Philosophy, didn’t he?
Hitler’s inspiration was another Philosopher Nietzsche.
BTW this over-fills the cup “Not a single war throughout history was done or justified in the name of atheism. “You must be kidding” Have you heard of the Chine’s revololution, Spain Civil war?

 

[Wotan]

Why argue against these myths? Especially since many of you claim no interest on what I believe. Indeed you care not the slightest what I believe.

But millions of you are hell bent to force me to ACT in a manner that corresponds to your religious beliefs.

Example:
As I write this there comes to my desk a solicitation for me to support an ordinance that will force a local business to close. Now why should the place be closed?

Is it a public nuisance? No.

Are the premises unsafe? No.
Actually the supporters of this proposed ordinance frequent this business and will continue to do so. Then WHAT is the problem?

This business has the temerity to stay open on Sunday, “the Lord’s day”. Such activity is “an affront to Christian values” and “stains our community’s good name”. Now if this ordinance passes and I were inclined to buy something at this place (a 7-11 type store btw) on a Sunday I could not do so. I would be compelled to act (technically not act) as if I believed this religions proscription against doing business on Sunday. And the power of the State would be used to force my compliance.

Now if this were an isolated incident or confined to some benighted areas it could perhaps be overlooked as trivial. But it is neither rare nor confined.

As of this moment certain medical research is prohibited because your God disapproves.

In some areas I may not gamble with my own $ because your God disapproves.

My wife my not decide when or even if she will become a mother because your God disapproves.

I may not buy certain books because your God disapproves.

I am may engage in certain sexual acts because your God disapproves.

My fingers tire of typing or I could fill this board with things you would either compel me to do or prevent me from doing because your God disapproves.

But I am indeed free to believe or not believe what I like. But I better ACT like a good Christian or you will have me jailed. And that promptly.

 

[Wotan]

And another example of "Christian love."

Why should godless individuals be allowed to enjoy the Creators handywork whilst rubbishing his existence and the beliefs of his children. Put yourself in his position...what would you do? Peace can never be achieved if dissenting individuals are allowed to co exist with believers. There would always be friction, robbing us all of a peaceful existence.

 

[Revoltingest]

What is the point? Most Atheist websites are just full of arguments and quotations against God. I thought about what the most meaningful thing in life was in the hypothetical situation that there was no God. The conclusion I came up with is living for others. Ralph Waldo Emerson once said- It is one of the most beautiful compensations of this life that no man can sincerely try to help another without helping himself. Shouldn't this be the most highly exalted virtue of any humanist philosophy: The "golden rule." "Eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow we die." And what brings more joy then to live together in love. If not then what is the best focus to have, or what brings joy?

Some points:
1) Atheist posters & websites don't represent atheists in general. What you see is a small sample of us...the highly motivated, engaged & argumentative ones. The rest of us go unnoticed & are usually easy to get along with.
2) Why do we appear to obsess over religion? Believers outnumbers us significantly. They run government & control the media, so their culture, dogma & practices surround us. They are our history & environment, so they're a big part of our lives.
3) I have many friends of various faiths. We judge each other by actions, rather than opinions about the supernatural. After all....we only disagree about things which don't even exist. Why get riled up about that?

Besides, believers are always going on & on about us, so I see that as an invitation to join the fun.