sooda
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All the way thru the entire book of Isaiah he calls Israel the servant of God. It very clear.
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Why did the world reject the Messiah when He Did come?
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All the way thru the entire book of Isaiah he calls Israel the servant of God. It very clear.
I don't think much of what is quoted in the Bible has any credence.
sooda
Veteran Member
The Context of Isaiah 53
The key to deciphering any biblical text is to view it in context. Isaiah 53 is the fourth of the four “Servant Songs.” (The others are found in Isaiah chapters 42, 49 and 50.) Though the “servant” in Isaiah 53 is not openly identified – these verses merely refer to “My servant” (52:13, 53:11) – the “servant” in each of the previous Servant Songs is plainly and repeatedly identified as the Jewish nation. Beginning with chapter 41, the equating of God’s Servant with the nation of Israel is made nine times by the prophet Isaiah, and no one other than Israel is identified as the “servant”:
- “You are My servant, O Israel” (41:8)
- “You are My servant, Israel” (49:3)
- see also Isaiah 44:1, 44:2, 44:21, 45:4, 48:20
refer to someone other than the Jewish people.
One obvious question that needs to be addressed: How can the “Suffering Servant,” which the verses refer to grammatically in the singular, be equated with the entire Jewish nation?
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Isaiah 53: The Suffering Servant
sooda
Veteran Member
You mean Isaiah referring to Israel as the servant in the Servant's Song?
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
This is all very simple.
Just write what you mean.
It's best to write exactly what you mean.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
I told you that the 'Jesus is God' spin is 'Pauline and Johannan spin'.......... and what did you quote in reply? ....... Pauline and Johannan spin .
If you believe it, then you believe it, but having studied the Christian Jesus story I am quite sure that it is all ...... spin.
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sooda
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I told you that the 'Jesus is God' spin is 'Pauline and Johannan spin'.......... and what did you quote in reply? ....... Pauline and Johannan spin .
If you believe it, then you believe it, but having studied the Jesus story I am quite sure that it is all ...... spin.
Funny that most people take it for granted .. assuming Jesus said he was God.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
From the beginning of the Baptist's mission it was political.
And neither he nor Jesus 'taught' folks, they made speeches to them.
I always grin when I read about how Jesus 'taught' the crowds, and I try to apply that term to modern day politicians, as in 'President Trump was on television today, teaching the people'. ..... etc.
Both the Baptist and Jesus were objectors, demonstrators, agitators, and for a very good cause; they wanted an honest priesthood, the old laws kept, the end of Temple corruption.
It says so...... !
sooda
Veteran Member
From the beginning of the Baptist's mission it was political.
And neither he nor Jesus 'taught' folks, they made speeches to them.
I always grin when I read about how Jesus 'taught' the crowds, and I try to apply that term to modern day politicians, as in 'President Trump was on television today, teaching the people'. ..... etc.
Both the Baptist and Jesus were objectors, demonstrators, agitators, and for a very good cause; they wanted an honest priesthood, the old laws kept, the end of Temple corruption.
It says so...... !
Yes.. I think so too.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Humans see what they want to see..........
Many of us grew up, being fed this stuff with our porridge each morning. After a while it just stuck in our heads, until we bothered to research for ourselves.
sooda
Veteran Member
Humans see what they want to see..........
Many of us grew up, being fed this stuff with our porridge each morning. After a while it just stuck in our heads, until we bothered to research for ourselves.
I certainly had a steady diet of Bible stories growing up.
And when I was old enough to research it for myself, instead of being force fed the Biblical garbage as a child, I lost my faith.Humans see what they want to see..........
Many of us grew up, being fed this stuff with our porridge each morning. After a while it just stuck in our heads, until we bothered to research for ourselves.
sooda
Veteran Member
I'm sorry.. although I think that happens a lot.
The idea of god and Jesus spoilt my childhood, I wish my parents had been unbelievers.
Spartan
Well-Known Member
Get a new dog to trot around the arena.
Spartan
Well-Known Member
The truth cripples many an unspiritual mind.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
That word....... spiritual.
Are you telling us that you are a spirit?
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
How is Isaiah 53 about the people of Israel?
I believe that this chapter is about Jesus and Baha'u'llah, and there are many other chapters like it.
Why do you think it says "he", "him" and "a man?"
It is very clear how most of this chapter and many others are is about Baha'u'llah; if you know the history of the Baha'i Faith. it is self-evident.
Isaiah 53 King James Version (KJV)
53 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the Lord revealed?
2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.
3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.
10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.
11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
This is also very clear, and there are many more prophecies like it.
Isaiah 35 King James Version (KJV)
35 The wilderness and the solitary place shall be glad for them; and the desert shall rejoice, and blossom as the rose.
2 It shall blossom abundantly, and rejoice even with joy and singing: the glory of Lebanon shall be given unto it, the excellency of Carmel and Sharon, they shall see the glory of the Lord, and the excellency of our God.