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Featured Why did the Jews reject their Messiah when he DID come?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Jonathan Bailey, Aug 25, 2019.

  1. Jonathan Bailey

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    Did they not recognize Him as earlier prophesied in the OT?

    Christians consider Him as Lord, Jesus Christ.

    Maybe the Jews will finally get it on His second coming?
     
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    Rather presumptuous to claim to know better than the Jews who their Messiah should be.
     
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    They didn't. JESUS is from Juda, book of Hebrews, many Jews adhere to Jesus.
     
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    RabbiO הרב יונה בן זכריה

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    It took me quite awhile to realize that you've been putting us on, that you've been laughing at us because we all bought into the persona you've been presenting - amazingly ignorant, astonishingly arrogrant, totally unaware of reality.

    You've played your part quite well. You've been very convincing. Eventually, however, I realized that no one could be as totally devoid of sense as the character who you created.

    Now that you've been outted, I look forward to conversing with the real you.

    On the off chance that I am incorrect. - :facepalm:
     
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  5. Desert Snake

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    A better question would be, 'why am I sticking up for Jesus'. I have my reasons.
     
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    John has the answer:

    John 4:25-30 King James Version (KJV)


    25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.

    26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.

    27 And upon this came his disciples, and marvelled that he talked with the woman: yet no man said, What seekest thou? or, Why talkest thou with her?

    28 The woman then left her waterpot, and went her way into the city, and saith to the men,

    29 Come, see a man, which told me all things that ever I did: is not this the Christ?

    30 Then they went out of the city, and came unto him.


    Messiah
    is from Hebrew and means "anointed".
    Christ is from Greek and means "the anointed one".
     
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    I'm always sticking up for Jesus. Not a problem, here.
     
  8. Jonathan Bailey

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    Jesus said He was the Messiah to the woman and what more is there to believe?
    I can't believe Jesus would lie.
     
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    It is prophesied that the Jews would initially reject the Messiah until he comes with power. Job 24:1. Psalm 110:3. The true Jewish Messiah came 35 years ago and saved the world from global nuclear destruction. The Messiah is "forgotten as a dead man out of mind". Psalm 31:12. The Jews have never accepted Jesus because he was not the Messiah. He is the modern day idol of Israel and he has tried to lead the children of Israel astray.
     
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    Not a problem, though it means there is at at least translation error, as Yeshua would be all knowing.
     
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    You neglected to identify this individual.
    I have had a similar conversation on another forum, and I am wondering if you are referring to the Rebbe, of whom no significant number of Jews believe was the Messiah.
    Please, clarify.
     
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    JESUS comes from Hebrew, God is salvation.

    The Meaning of the Name 'Jesus Christ'

    The New Testament was written in Greek, and the name “Jesus” here means the same in Greek as the Hebrew name “Joshua.” “Joshua” means literally God is salvation. So the angel’s message to Joseph was “You shall call His name ‘God is salvation,’ for He will save His people from their sins.” That name tells us of Jesus’ purpose in God’s plan-that it is through Him that God saves humanity.
     
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    Red Heifer!

    I think @RabbiO has made all the comments this thread/OP needs from Jewish people.
     
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    Jews, then and now, reject him because he wasn't the Messiah. He never fulfilled Jewish messianic prophecy: Messiah was to be "long in days", i.e., mature if not old, and Jesus died young; Messiah was to build a third temple - Jesus didn't; Messiah was to throw out Gentile oppressors - Jesus didn't; Messiah was to bring all nations to worship in the restored temple - Jesus didn't. Etc. Jews are educated and smart enough not to let Christians pull the New Testament over Jewish eyes.
     
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    Because he threatened their notions of what Messiah should be.

    He didn't free the Jews from the Romans. He healed on the Sabbath. He mocked the Pharisees and the Scribes. He (gasp) spoke with Samaritans and lepers.

    Jesus was here to reform Judaism (especially its Sabbath laws), and gradually realized that the priesthood was too firmly entrenched and too committed to its traditions. It refused to listen to many of its prophets which demanded justice and mercy rather than sacrifice. Worse, the priests were bought by the Romans. Observe.

    Render Unto Caesar: A Most Misunderstood New Testament Passage - LewRockwell LewRockwell.com

    So gradually, throughout his ministry, Jesus turned his back on the Jews. So did the early Christians, gradually letting go of kosher. Effectively, Jesus is Messiah. But for the Gentiles. The Jews live under the old covenant.
     
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    That's an academic theory, and therefore contradicts Scripture.

    Matthew 1:20-24

    Means the same thing as Immanuel, 'God with us'.

    Unless you like wild theories that contradict the Bible. That's up to you.
     
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    1. Virtually all the so-called prophecies that Christians say point to Jesus aren't actually messianic prophecies at all. They are about other matters entirely. Let me give one example. Matthew 2:15 says that Jesus fulfilled the prophecy "Out of Egypt have I called my son." This is a clear quotation of Hosea 11:1. But if you read all of Hosea 11:1 we see that it is not a prophecy at all, but a description of Israel and the Exodus: “When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son.” It is twisting scripture to use this as a messianic prophecy. And so it goes with virtually all the so-called messianic prophecies Christians use.

    2. Of the ACTUAL messianic prophecies, Jesus fulfilled non of them. These are the ones which Christians claim Jesus will fulfill at his second coming, for example, bringing all the Jews out of diaspora and returning us to the Land of Israel, reigning as "David" over Israel from Jerusalem, bringing literal world peace between the Nations, etc. For Jews, the messianic prophecies are an all or nothing deal. Either a candidate fulfills all the prophecies (during his life) and he is the messiah, or he does not fulfill all of them and he is out of the running.

    Given these reasons, the question is not why Jews reject Jesus as the Messiah, but why would anyone consider him the Messiah?
     
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    You just made @RabbiO ’s point very clearly.

    That is just such a blatantly, ridiculously circular argument, you must be a Poe.
     
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    Matthew 1:20-24

    Is your messiah some person named Yehoshua?

    Matthew 1:20-24

    The name has to have the same meaning, as Immanuel, 'God with us'.

    Your theory makes Jesus's name mean something else, which makes any reader immediately know that if the names mean different things, the verses about the names meaning the same thing, makes that reference to the prophecy, an indication that the prophecy didn't happen.
    Christians who believe that theory, are saying the Bible is wrong, or, Jesus isn't the Messiah.
    • these are acceptable variations of Jesus's name. [Variations of the same name are ok.
    Jesus
    Yesu
    Iesous
    Yeshu
    [And I include Yeshua as an acceptable variation,
    Yeshua

    And some others.

    'Yehoshua', and 'Yoheshua' are different names, and so would be Joshua, by your theory.[contradict the Bible.
     
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    The Old Testament doesn't mention Jesus whatsoever, so it's not surprising considering that Christianity is basically hijacked theology that has nothing to do with Judaism.
     
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