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Why did the Jews reject their Messiah when he DID come?

Jonathan Bailey

Well-Known Member
Did they not recognize Him as earlier prophesied in the OT?

Christians consider Him as Lord, Jesus Christ.

Maybe the Jews will finally get it on His second coming?
 
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RabbiO

הרב יונה בן זכריה
Did they not recognize Him as earlier prophesied?

Christians consider Him as Lord, Jesus Christ.

Maybe the Jews will finally get it on His second coming?
It took me quite awhile to realize that you've been putting us on, that you've been laughing at us because we all bought into the persona you've been presenting - amazingly ignorant, astonishingly arrogrant, totally unaware of reality.

You've played your part quite well. You've been very convincing. Eventually, however, I realized that no one could be as totally devoid of sense as the character who you created.

Now that you've been outted, I look forward to conversing with the real you.

On the off chance that I am incorrect. - :facepalm:
 

Jonathan Bailey

Well-Known Member
Did they not recognize Him as earlier prophesied?

Christians know Him as Lord, Jesus Christ.

Maybe the Jews will finally get it on His second coming?
A better question would be, 'why am I sticking up for Jesus'. I have my reasons.

John has the answer:

John 4:25-30 King James Version (KJV)


25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.

26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.

27 And upon this came his disciples, and marvelled that he talked with the woman: yet no man said, What seekest thou? or, Why talkest thou with her?

28 The woman then left her waterpot, and went her way into the city, and saith to the men,

29 Come, see a man, which told me all things that ever I did: is not this the Christ?

30 Then they went out of the city, and came unto him.


Messiah
is from Hebrew and means "anointed".
Christ is from Greek and means "the anointed one".
 

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
John has the answer:

John 4:25-30 King James Version (KJV)


25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.

26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.

27 And upon this came his disciples, and marvelled that he talked with the woman: yet no man said, What seekest thou? or, Why talkest thou with her?

28 The woman then left her waterpot, and went her way into the city, and saith to the men,

29 Come, see a man, which told me all things that ever I did: is not this the Christ?

30 Then they went out of the city, and came unto him.


Messiah
is from Hebrew and means "anointed".
Christ is from Greek and means "the anointed one".
I'm always sticking up for Jesus. Not a problem, here.
 

susanblange

Active Member
Did they not recognize Him as earlier prophesied?

Christians consider Him as Lord, Jesus Christ.

Maybe the Jews will finally get it on His second coming?
It is prophesied that the Jews would initially reject the Messiah until he comes with power. Job 24:1. Psalm 110:3. The true Jewish Messiah came 35 years ago and saved the world from global nuclear destruction. The Messiah is "forgotten as a dead man out of mind". Psalm 31:12. The Jews have never accepted Jesus because he was not the Messiah. He is the modern day idol of Israel and he has tried to lead the children of Israel astray.
 

Phaedrus

Active Member
The true Jewish Messiah came 35 years ago and saved the world from global nuclear destruction.

You neglected to identify this individual.
I have had a similar conversation on another forum, and I am wondering if you are referring to the Rebbe, of whom no significant number of Jews believe was the Messiah.
Please, clarify.
 

Jonathan Bailey

Well-Known Member
Not a problem, though it means there is at at least translation error, as Yeshua would be all knowing.
JESUS comes from Hebrew, God is salvation.

The Meaning of the Name 'Jesus Christ'

The New Testament was written in Greek, and the name “Jesus” here means the same in Greek as the Hebrew name “Joshua.” “Joshua” means literally God is salvation. So the angel’s message to Joseph was “You shall call His name ‘God is salvation,’ for He will save His people from their sins.” That name tells us of Jesus’ purpose in God’s plan-that it is through Him that God saves humanity.
 

steveb1

Member
Did they not recognize Him as earlier prophesied in the OT?

Christians consider Him as Lord, Jesus Christ.

Maybe the Jews will finally get it on His second coming?

Jews, then and now, reject him because he wasn't the Messiah. He never fulfilled Jewish messianic prophecy: Messiah was to be "long in days", i.e., mature if not old, and Jesus died young; Messiah was to build a third temple - Jesus didn't; Messiah was to throw out Gentile oppressors - Jesus didn't; Messiah was to bring all nations to worship in the restored temple - Jesus didn't. Etc. Jews are educated and smart enough not to let Christians pull the New Testament over Jewish eyes.
 

Samantha Rinne

Resident Genderfluid Writer/Artist
Because he threatened their notions of what Messiah should be.

He didn't free the Jews from the Romans. He healed on the Sabbath. He mocked the Pharisees and the Scribes. He (gasp) spoke with Samaritans and lepers.

Jesus was here to reform Judaism (especially its Sabbath laws), and gradually realized that the priesthood was too firmly entrenched and too committed to its traditions. It refused to listen to many of its prophets which demanded justice and mercy rather than sacrifice. Worse, the priests were bought by the Romans. Observe.

Render Unto Caesar: A Most Misunderstood New Testament Passage - LewRockwell LewRockwell.com

Instead of jumping into the political discussion, though, Jesus curiously requests to see the coin of the tribute. It is not necessary that Jesus possess the coin to answer their question. He could certainly respond without seeing the coin. That He requests to see the coin suggests that there is something meaningful about the coin itself.

In the Tribute Episode, the questioners produce a denarius. The denarius was approximately 1/10 of a troy ounce (at that time about 3.9 grams) of silver and roughly worth a day's wages for a common laborer. The denarius was a remarkably stable currency; Roman emperors did not begin debasing it with any vigor until Nero. The denarius in question would have been issued by the Emperor Tiberius, whose reign coincided with Jesus' ministry. Where Augustus issued hundreds of denarii, Ethelbert Stauffer, in his masterful, , reports that Tiberius issued only three, and of those three, two are relatively rare, and the third is quite common. Tiberius preferred this third and issued it from his personal mint for twenty years. The denarius was truly the emperor's property: he used it to pay his soldiers, officials, and suppliers; it bore the imperial seal; it differed from the copper coins issued by the Roman Senate, and it was also the coin with which subjected peoples, in theory, were required to pay the tribute. Tiberius even made it a capital crime to carry any coin stamped with his image into a bathroom or a brothel. In short, the denarius was a tangible representation of the emperor's power, wealth, deification, and subjugation.

Tiberius' denarii were minted at Lugdunum, modern-day Lyons, in Gaul. The denarius's circulation in Judaea was likely scarce. The only people to transact routinely with the denarius in Judaea would have been soldiers, Roman officials, and Jewish leaders in collaboration with Rome. Thus, it is noteworthy that Jesus, Himself, does not possess the coin. The questioners' quickness to produce the coin at Jesus' request implies that they routinely used it, taking advantage of Roman financial largess, whereas Jesus did not. Moreover, the Tribute Episode takes place in the Temple, and by producing the coin, the questioners reveal their religious hypocrisy – they bring a potentially profane item, the coin of a pagan, into the sacred space of the Temple.

So gradually, throughout his ministry, Jesus turned his back on the Jews. So did the early Christians, gradually letting go of kosher. Effectively, Jesus is Messiah. But for the Gentiles. The Jews live under the old covenant.
 
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Desert Snake

Veteran Member
JESUS comes from Hebrew, God is salvation.

The Meaning of the Name 'Jesus Christ'

The New Testament was written in Greek, and the name “Jesus” here means the same in Greek as the Hebrew name “Joshua.” “Joshua” means literally God is salvation. So the angel’s message to Joseph was “You shall call His name ‘God is salvation,’ for He will save His people from their sins.” That name tells us of Jesus’ purpose in God’s plan-that it is through Him that God saves humanity.
That's an academic theory, and therefore contradicts Scripture.

Matthew 1:20-24

Means the same thing as Immanuel, 'God with us'.

Unless you like wild theories that contradict the Bible. That's up to you.
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Did they not recognize Him as earlier prophesied in the OT?

Christians consider Him as Lord, Jesus Christ.

Maybe the Jews will finally get it on His second coming?
1. Virtually all the so-called prophecies that Christians say point to Jesus aren't actually messianic prophecies at all. They are about other matters entirely. Let me give one example. Matthew 2:15 says that Jesus fulfilled the prophecy "Out of Egypt have I called my son." This is a clear quotation of Hosea 11:1. But if you read all of Hosea 11:1 we see that it is not a prophecy at all, but a description of Israel and the Exodus: “When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son.” It is twisting scripture to use this as a messianic prophecy. And so it goes with virtually all the so-called messianic prophecies Christians use.

2. Of the ACTUAL messianic prophecies, Jesus fulfilled non of them. These are the ones which Christians claim Jesus will fulfill at his second coming, for example, bringing all the Jews out of diaspora and returning us to the Land of Israel, reigning as "David" over Israel from Jerusalem, bringing literal world peace between the Nations, etc. For Jews, the messianic prophecies are an all or nothing deal. Either a candidate fulfills all the prophecies (during his life) and he is the messiah, or he does not fulfill all of them and he is out of the running.

Given these reasons, the question is not why Jews reject Jesus as the Messiah, but why would anyone consider him the Messiah?
 

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
JESUS comes from Hebrew, God is salvation.

The Meaning of the Name 'Jesus Christ'

The New Testament was written in Greek, and the name “Jesus” here means the same in Greek as the Hebrew name “Joshua.” “Joshua” means literally God is salvation. So the angel’s message to Joseph was “You shall call His name ‘God is salvation,’ for He will save His people from their sins.” That name tells us of Jesus’ purpose in God’s plan-that it is through Him that God saves humanity.
Matthew 1:20-24

Is your messiah some person named Yehoshua?

Matthew 1:20-24

The name has to have the same meaning, as Immanuel, 'God with us'.

Your theory makes Jesus's name mean something else, which makes any reader immediately know that if the names mean different things, the verses about the names meaning the same thing, makes that reference to the prophecy, an indication that the prophecy didn't happen.
Christians who believe that theory, are saying the Bible is wrong, or, Jesus isn't the Messiah.
• these are acceptable variations of Jesus's name. [Variations of the same name are ok.
Jesus
Yesu
Iesous
Yeshu
[And I include Yeshua as an acceptable variation,
Yeshua

And some others.

'Yehoshua', and 'Yoheshua' are different names, and so would be Joshua, by your theory.[contradict the Bible.
 
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Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Did they not recognize Him as earlier prophesied in the OT?

Christians consider Him as Lord, Jesus Christ.

Maybe the Jews will finally get it on His second coming?
The Old Testament doesn't mention Jesus whatsoever, so it's not surprising considering that Christianity is basically hijacked theology that has nothing to do with Judaism.
 
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