sooda
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"God" wasn't involved in the covenant of Genesis 15.
I don't understand. I also don't understand the reference to Ur of the Chaldees.
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"God" wasn't involved in the covenant of Genesis 15.
"God" wasn't involved in the covenant of Genesis 15.
He sure was. (Gen. 15:1-21)
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"God" is typically a translation of Elohim, and Elohim is not mentioned in Genesis 15.I don't understand. I also don't understand the reference to Ur of the Chaldees.
"God" is typically a translation of Elohim, and Elohim is not mentioned in Genesis 15.
I don't know which reference to Ur of the Chaldees you mean.
"God" wasn't involved in the covenant of Genesis 15.
So according to you the Jews are not saved within they're own covenant, God made no such promise to Abraham and his descendants, and Paul is mistaken when he asserts the same. It would be most interesting to know what Jews believe concerning whether God made a covenant with Abraham.
"God" is typically a translation of Elohim, and Elohim is not mentioned in Genesis 15.
I don't know which reference to Ur of the Chaldees you mean.
Possibly it's a wordplay on light of the devils [אור כשדימ], like Nimrod [נמרד] is a wordplay on Marduk [מרדכ].Well, there was no Ur of the Chaldeans at the time of Abraham so its a glaring anachronism.
In the Tanak there's ben (children) or Elohim. Probably the word had different connotations between those to contexts.I thought Elohim was used early in Genesis because it was a holdover from the Ugaritic texts.. Elohim was plural for the children of the Canaanite god El.
AFAIK the transition to monotheism happened during the Babylonian exile.It never occurred to me that Judaism didn't evolve over time becoming monotheistic.
There's a problem with the old covenant (Jeremiah 31:31-33).So according to you the Jews are not saved within they're own covenant
"God" is ambiguous.God made no such promise to Abraham and his descendants
That doesn't change the fact that there's no mention of Elohim in Genesis 15.There are many names of God.
That doesn't change the fact that there's no mention of Elohim in Genesis 15.
Possibly it's a wordplay on light of the devils [אור כשדימ], like Nimrod [נמרד] is a wordplay on Marduk [מרדכ].
In the Tanak there's ben (children) or Elohim. Probably the word had different connotations between those to contexts.
AFAIK the transition to monotheism happened during the Babylonian exile.
There's a problem with the old covenant (Jeremiah 31:31-33).
"God" is ambiguous.
Equivocation fallacy.Which doesn't change the fact that there are many names of God and that God is found throughout (Gen. 15).
The wordplay suggests that the name was associated with religious practice, maybe this practice moved from one location to another?What do you do with Ur of the Chaldees that didn't exist.. There is however Urfa near Haran which claims to be the birthplace of Abraham.
No, facts are not based on fallacies.Which doesn't change the fact that God is found throughout (Gen. 15).