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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by nPeace, Jun 14, 2018.

  1. j1i

    j1i Smiling is charity without giving money

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    I did not participate to defend Islam, I am surprised that there are Christian scholars and religious scholars who enter Islam and some of them are missionaries

    The behavior of individuals does not reflect the true religion

    For example
    Harassment of children in churches
    The Vatican’s Response to 1,000 Children Abused by Priests? ‘No Comment.’

    Lots of Christians have good ethics

    I did not enter here to try to convince people to enter Islam as much as it is important to publish accurate and accurate information


    As for your attempt to delve into the shortcomings of Islam, it is a hopeless way of wasting time for me. The true faith is a blessing for you. You are free in faith or reject it.

    God bless you
    Have nice day
     
  2. Subduction Zone

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    It looks from your failure here that Islam is merely another baseless religion. And your inability to deal with its shortcomings only tell us that you have too much bias to fairly access your beliefs. Why do you keep referring to Christians that have switched? People often switch when they encounter massive brain washing. What evidence is there for Islam? I do not know of any. But then there does not appear to be reliable evidence for any religion so at least you have good company.
     
  3. Podo

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    If you believe such things, anyway. There's no actual evidence that we're any different than other animals, and there's every reason to see ourselves as merely a species of ape with more effective brainpans. But you do you, boo.
     
  4. nPeace

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    I'm sorry.
    I did not see this post and others.
    For some reason I am not getting notification for posts I am watching, and I don't understand why.

    Thanks for the clear explanation.
    I'll be right with you.
     
  5. nPeace

    nPeace Well-Known Member

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    I apologize. I was not notified of these posts.
    Thank you. I fully understand, and agree with the nice illustrations you used.
    Peace.
     
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    I think he does have a point, but I think it can be a bit complex.
     
  7. Milton Platt

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    I find it can sometimes be confusing to try and follow numerous threads on here. No problem.
     
  8. j1i

    j1i Smiling is charity without giving money

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    Well I'll tell you how special we are and we're better off than the rest of the creatures on Earth
    If I brought you a $ 50 smartphone, I would say it works like a $ 1000 iPhone
    So please buy it at $ 1000
    Will you accept this
    you will speak for more than half an hour, talking superficially about the differences between the two hubs
    Because of our beliefs and ideas we try to ignore some of the essential points
    Or because it is not important at the moment

    I will not call you to be proud because you are a human
    I invite you to be proud because you are a true believer who loves God and hears the correct advice
    gender is neither a source of pride nor a privilege

    But you must provide services according to the capabilities given to you
    I wish you, the developed creature, more progress and prosperity
    You reminded me of a story I wrote about Mars planet
    Mars speaks and says I want to meet human I want to see how human created and what his behavior

    I want to hear the heartbeat and I am sure that God will create human as a nice living being and not be evil
    God is merciful and God does not love injustice
    But then Mars planet says
    O human!
    Stay in the place where God put you where it is best for you
    Goodbye, human

    Mars believed that man would be a moral guest on his planet
    While not knowing how to topple the planet and include racism, ethnicity and religious sectarianism


    this is fig verse in Quran if you are interesting

    In the name of God, the Gracious, the Merciful.

    1. By the fig and the olive.

    2. And Mount Sinai.

    3. And this safe land.

    4. We created man in the best design.

    5. Then reduced him to the lowest of the low.

    6. Except those who believe and do righteous deeds; for them is a reward without end.

    7. So why do you still reject the religion (recompense) (believe)?

    8. Is God not the Wisest of the wise?

    I apologize because I am not a professional in writing or in writing responses based on understanding sometimes

    God bless you
     
  9. Podo

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    I am not a believer, though.
     
  10. j1i

    j1i Smiling is charity without giving money

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    I remembered my father was an atheist
    But I was able to convince my father of this idea
    I told him that the unbeliever would face punishment after death
    You will not lose anything if you put faith in God

    If you count surly you will start from number one
    The Existence began from the number one (which god) the creator
    You have to believe in the one which God and if the belief is true you will survive
    If you are wrong, you will lose nothing
    My father agreed to the idea he loved me

    It is just a suggestion for you and not a persuasion attempt hahahaha

    with respect
     
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    Can you see the fallacy? To enjoy, an enjoyer is required. The fallacy in our case is that the enjoyer is unknown. When God promises immortality, He means knowledge of the self that enjoys. Some scientists think that a brain transplant or uploading a brain's contents on to a computer will resurrect the man that enjoys.

    Let us wait then with some food and drinks. :beermug: :chickenleg:
     
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    Then have a :banana:
     
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    It looks that way. ;) Take care.
     
  14. j1i

    j1i Smiling is charity without giving money

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    The center of human existence is the heart and not the brain
    The brain is a memory storage term for life's biography

    So when the patient exchanges the heart, the person in whom a new heart is found changes his behavior according to the new heart
    It retains the memory but the guidance device is the heart

    You find this man to be evil, and this man is kindhearted, or this man is evil

    All these behaviors are in the heart and not in the brain
    The heart is the blood pump which is life

    When the Mayan people offer the sacrament, it takes the best part of the human body, the heart
    In historical depictions of mankind
    The image of the heart is placed as the most important part
     
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    Okay, I'm back.

    First of all, what in the world is mass?
    Answer:
    Mass is both a property of a physical body and a measure of its resistance to acceleration (a change in its state of motion) when a net force is applied. It also determines the strength of its mutual gravitational attraction to other bodies.

    Can we agree on this human definition?
    So my question is this: Is God a physical body, and how will we measure him?
    Answer:
    No. Hear the words of Jesus.
    (John 4:24)

    What do you understand by this?
     
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  16. j1i

    j1i Smiling is charity without giving money

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    I checked it up in its Greek texts and the word is pneumati πνεύματι (dative singular noun).
    Therefore
    and those who worship him must worship in spirituality and truth.

    ... those who worship him (god only) must worship him in truth and while in the state of being a spirit.

    sister or brother

    The problem with pseudo-translation is that the meanings change seriously

    I also give you another example of how false translations are

    the three witness the Spirit, and the water, and the blood
    A Spurious Reference to the Trinity Added in 1 John 5 verses 7-8
     
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    Very good, that you researched it. :thumbsup:
    Nice research on the text in the first letter of John, chapter 5. Nice.

    I think, when you say, that the person must be "in a state of being a spirit", I am going to assume, you mean in a connection - so to speak with God's spirit.

    Here is some research information. Tell me if your research agrees with this, or you could explain it.

    The Greek word pneuma can have a number of meanings, among them God’s active force, or holy spirit, as well as the force that impels individuals - that is, their mental disposition.
    One thing these different meanings of the term “spirit” have in common, is that they refer to things that are invisible to human sight.

    Jesus explained that worship of the Father would not be centered on a physical location, such as Mount Gerizim in Samaria or the temple in Jerusalem, because God is not material and cannot be seen or felt physically. John 4:21

    In other Bible verses, Jesus showed that to worship God acceptably, a person would need to be guided by God’s invisible holy spirit, also called a “helper.” John 14:16, 17; 16:13
    Therefore, “worship with spirit” apparently refers to worship that is guided by God’s spirit, which would help an individual to be attuned to God’s thinking through study and application of His Word.
     
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    You told him a thing, and he unquestioningly believed it? Sounds to me like your dad humoured you to make things easier. Your religion, your god, is so new. So, so new. Even IF a religion were true, it'd be something earlier, something older. Not a violent newcomer like Islam that is barely 1500 years old.
     
  19. nPeace

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    Not seeing @Milton Platt, so maybe I didn't provide enough.
    So continuing...

    Since God is spirit - Can't be seen or felt physically, how does one test or detect God?
    Matthew 5:3
    What does that mean?
    Well, we all know what a physical need is, and how to fill that need.
    The phrase “those conscious of their spiritual need” or "poor in spirit", literally means, “those who are beggars for the spirit.”
    Matthew 5:3 (Μακάριοι) Happy (οἱ) the (πτωχοὶ) poor ones (τῷ) (as) to the (πνεύματι), spirit,
    Matthew 5:3 Interlinear: 'Happy the poor in spirit -- because theirs is the reign of the heavens.

    Our spiritual needs involves things related to the spirit - our conscious awareness to understand and know things - specifically an innate spiritual need.
    So we ask, "Why are we here? What is the purpose of life? Where are we going?" and based on what we see, we ask, "Why? Why death? Why suffering? Why injustice?" and the questions keep going.

    When one is conscious of a physical need, do you notice that they don't lie down and say, "Aw. So what?" They seek to fill that need. Otherwise, after some time their skeleton will tell the tale.
    Some, sadly, have ignored, or not given attention to their spiritual need. Some who once gave attention to their spiritual need, have given up, on trying to fill that need. The results are seen there too - Many there are, but one is suicide.
    Suicide data
    Close to 800 000 people die due to suicide every year, which is one person every 40 seconds. Many more attempt suicide. Suicide occurs throughout the lifespan and is the second leading cause of death among 15-29 year olds globally.
    Suicide is a global phenomenon; in fact, 79% of suicides occurred in low- and middle-income countries in 2016. Suicide accounted for 1.4% of all deaths worldwide, making it the 18th leading cause of death in 2016. .....
    There are indications that for each adult who died of suicide there may have been more than 20 others attempting suicide.


    On the other hand some have not given up on filling that need, and as Jesus said, it results in happiness. Why (More on that laterr)?
    Many have felt that something was missing from their life.
    Jehovah's Witnesses BROADCASTING

    In a way, it's like being sick, only not physically.
    I think all of us, at one time or another, has been sick/ill.
    We know when we feel well, from when we feel ill.
    When we feel/defect that there is something wrong, we want to make sure, so we go see the doctor.

    Sometimes we may not feel sick, but since we can't see our internal organs or their functionality, some of us have regular checkups with the doctor.
    If the doctors checks, and finds that something is wrong, depending on what it is, we may get some kind of medication.
    Sadly, some people get an inaccurate diagnosis, and are sent home, only to become seriously ill, or die.

    Sometimes a person may get a prescription and decide, "You know what. I'm not taking these. All they are going to do is fill me up with more chemicals." So they store them in a drawer, or dump them in the garbage.
    Some take the medicine, and see results. They get better... Or do they?

    One thing I do know, works for sure, is Panadol.
    Man... have you ever had a severe tooth ache? Ouch! [​IMG] Pop two of those things in your mouth, swallow, and in about 60 seconds, you are grateful you brought Panadol. :)
    How do we know if we feel better? Our senses tell us, right?

    What is my point?
    Our experiences through the use of our senses, allows us to make observation every day. They allow us to make decisions, analyze, and verify the results of those analysis.
    We don't throw reason, logic, and common sense out the window, for the sake of belief.

    A spiritual person searches for answers. They don't just accept things for the sake of belief, but they use their senses. They observe, they reason and use logic, in order to find reasonable answers.

    Their experience in life, through the use of their senses tells them that the universe and life did not originate on its own, but was designed by an intelligence. It screams design. Nature bears the signature of a creator.
    This reasonable and logical conclusion is mentioned in scripture. Hebrews 3:4; Romans 1:19, 20

    They have also experienced the powerful effect of God's spirit, and his word the Bible, it being a product of holy spirit.
    The results of their observations tell them that these are real, and true.
    Examples
    I have seen results every time from...
    Effects of spirit - Matthew 10:20; Mark 13:11; Luke 12:11, 12; 21:14, 15; John 14:26; Hebrews 4:12
    Effects of prayer - Matthew 6:7, 8; Mark 14:38
    Effects of God's word, the Bible - Psalms 1:1-3; 119
    These give clear evidence of the existence of God. These are all spiritual "instruments" that we use to test that conclusion. There is no physical instrument that can be used to do this.

    Any questions... please feel free to ask.
    I realize you didn't answer my last questions, ;) so perhaps might like to do so now, as I have once again addressed your questions.
    Based on the examples you provided... What evidence is there that life evolved from one common ancestor?
     
  20. j1i

    j1i Smiling is charity without giving money

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    ^_^
    I care about the idea of faith
    God is one and He is the Creator


    This is a very profound observatio
    (As long as the baby came out of the womb of a woman, he remains a creature )

    my other dimension
    Islam is a new version of (windows) truth
    A renewal of the truth
    After exposure to viruses and hacking
     
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