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Featured What the heck new evidence for Christ?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Riders, Mar 2, 2019.

  1. sooda

    sooda Veteran Member

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    Thanks.. very interesting..

    from your article:

    Essentially, the NT is composed of two types of documents: letters and would-be biographies (the so-called gospels). A third category of writing, apocalyptic,Note C of which the Book of Revelation is an example, also exists, but it gives no support for the historicity of Jesus.

    In fact, it would appear to be an intellectual fossil of the thought-world from which Christianity sprang – a Jewish apocalypse that was reworked for Christian use.Citation 8

    The main character of the book (referred to 28 times) would seem to be “the Lamb,” an astral being seen in visions (no claims to historicity here!), and the book overall is redolent of ancient astrology.
     
  2. Shantanu

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    What kind of historian are you looking for when the evidence of his miracles are disputed?
     
  3. sooda

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    He posted a link above that it quite pointed.
     
  4. Shantanu

    Shantanu Well-Known Member

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    Hmmm.
     
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    Good question .. I think the closest they come is that he was born in the year 1 AD and was crucified in 30 AD.
     
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    No one knows because there are no facts to be had, fiction is like that.
     
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    I read the gospels, they're fiction,
     
  10. whirlingmerc

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    From an atheist website? probably not an unbiased source

    As I mentioned, even the radical skeptic Bart Erhman believes Jesus existed.

    The article you cited a minority view late dating Mark, however " most scholars believe that the Gospel of Mark was written sometime during the war between Rome and the Jews (66-74)"
    see When was the Gospel According to Mark Written?
     
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    PruePhillip Well-Known Member

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    Sounds like clickbait.
    The Gospel isn't clickbait. The Gospel wasn't into "proving" anything
    outside your own experience.
    Some Jews sought to "disprove" Jesus was the Messiah because
    they said he was a Galilean and of the tribe of Zebulon, and the
    true Messiah is from the line of Judah and from Bethlehem. It is not
    recorded that Jesus answered this at all.
     
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    PruePhillip Well-Known Member

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    I think Caesar is fiction too.
    Henry Ford said that 'history is bunk' but I am not
    sure there was a Henry Ford either.
     
  13. ManSinha

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    This debate reminds me about a talk given by a current Indian mystic who goes by the title "Sadhguru" - if anyone is interested - just a YouTube search for his name will suffice - this guy usually takes the middle approach - someone asked him about the existence or veracity of the Indian epic Mahabharat - the answer was illuminating - "Whether it happened or not - it would behoove us to learn from the teachings the self improvement and lessons of kindness and charity that were taught. Leave the rest for scholars to figure out" - may be that is the best we can do.
     
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  14. lukethethird

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    When it comes to the so called historical Jesus, Christians prefer that we test their faith.
     
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    George Carlin liked to poke fun at the "invisible man in the sky" of Christian belief,
    the man who made the universe.
    I am not sure his own idea of no-one making the universe - not even the universe,
    is in fact funnier and more of a miracle than an outside entity.
     
  16. ManSinha

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    I think (for myself) the trouble starts when we start ascribing human like emotions and needs to the Almighty "Worship me alone" "Don't do that!"
    From a poem in Sikhism - we can only grasp at mere superficial attributes - understanding the entirety of this being / entity is beyond our capabilities
     
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    Why did Jesus meet such a violent death?
     
  18. ManSinha

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    Well - a lot of individuals who publicly oppose the powerful and the rich - have gone that way

    Jesus is one example - There is Guru Arjan and Guru Tegh Bahadur -

    But as some hold the view - He (Jesus) died to pay the blood ransom for the sins of humanity - that is another explanation that is offered as well
     
  19. sooda

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    He died for our sins.. although Muslims ask the same question.. How could the purest of the prophets who was without sin die such a cruel and humiliating death?
     
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    Whether it is a fictional story or based on reality are the lessons not worth considering further?
     
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