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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Amanaki, Jun 2, 2020.

  1. Heyo

    Heyo Well-Known Member

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    Who's talking about gods? Assuming you don't think of yourself as a god, it was a humans (your) request for comments what would be acceptable as evidence. I think @ChristineM answered your request perfectly.
     
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  2. Amanaki

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    :) i do not know fully how a god thinks, but after so many years within spiritual practice and study of the teaching i have understood that a God do not think as humans, nu and has ego, a God does not need to prove to anyone, only humans demand of higher beings what humans is to lady to realize them self. God, Buddha or other enlightened beings has already given us humans all we need to realize the truth and to realize what God vasking of us, it is human beings who see it as a demand because we have to actually do something to gain the answer. God does not need prove to a disbeliever that God exist. God already know
     
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    Amanaki Well-Known Member

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    I am not a God or a Buddha :) my OP was created so it would be possible to answer your understanding, and i ask more questions.

    The funny is that disbelievers demand believers or Even God to show them proof that God exist. But when a believer ask of an non believer, prove God does not exist, they can not come up with a clear answer. So they attack believers.

    You see only when someone realize enlightenment would they be fully able to give those proofs, but as får as i know nobody in RF is enlightened beings:)
     
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  4. osgart

    osgart Nothing my eye, Something for sure

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    Well God has the ability to do whatsoever God wishes. I would like to see God make creatures without serious errors and faults in a place God himself would govern.

    Nature does seem to be totally indifferent to the sufferings of its creatures. Why is that?
     
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  5. Amanaki

    Amanaki Well-Known Member

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    In my understanding the errors arise because of humans karma, result of wrongdoing from the past. Karma do stick to us until we have repayed, or fixed our life so we dont do immoral action, speech and thoughts
     
  6. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    And your evidence for this series of statements?
     
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    Amanaki Well-Known Member

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    Well you have the bible, Torah, Quran, Buddhist Suttas, Hindu scripture, Zhuan Falun from Falun Gong, all this books contain evidence that can be verified across the teachings. But no science are not on the level of underunderstanding the truth in spiritual scripture. Because science look out on the physical world wheras spiritual teaching look within our mind to purify it to we realize the true meaning of our exisence and thereby understanding that the teaching is true.

    I do not expect any atheists to see my answer as proof, and honestly that does not bother me, because spiritual teaching does not need scientific proof for those who use hour after hour study the teaching, we gain our answer from the teaching.
     
  8. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    Nope, those books have comments written by man and as far as i know, nothing of substance can be verified. Sure, third party evidence exists that some people and some places existed. But of the key stuff that builds a religion.

    As i explained yesterday on another thread and you agreed, people can and are often well above the levels you insist are barred to science. And i think you just agreed with me, spirituality is of the mind and therefore imagination, and dreams.

    Thanks for the agreement, you are most welcome to your own mind
     
  9. Mock Turtle

    Mock Turtle Respect, compassion, and understanding.
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    So prayers don't work - if not demands, they are at least entreaties?
     
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    Mock Turtle Respect, compassion, and understanding.
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    This is all just too easy an explanation and such that we could find an explanation for almost anything - if we had sufficient imagination.
     
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  11. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    If that entity does not fulfill the criteria of what is generally assumed to be of God, then why term it as God. Call it something else.
     
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  12. Amanaki

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    I did not agree that it is imagination :) science dont know halv of what the mind is, and what it can do, read the spiritual teachings and cultivate them and you will know :)

    Sorry to say it but science is as false as your claim of spiritual teaching:)
     
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    In my understanding prayer is not to demand God to give you something, prayer is to gain insight just similar to meditation.
     
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    Mods: if any of you see this, maybe it would be right to move it to a debate Forum because Q& A is not meant for debat, and it look like this getting close to debate.
     
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    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    Amanaki, I am a realized person and I cannot give any proof of existence of God / Allah, for the simple reason that no such entity exists. How can I give proof of what does not exist?
    Amanaki, just because you are not clear in your thoughts, do not assume that others need to study scriptures. They might already have done that and might have decided on something which may be different from your views.
     
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    SalixIncendium Ahaṁ Brahmāsmi
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    SalixIncendium Ahaṁ Brahmāsmi
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    Just because such a being doesn't exist in your current understanding/realization does not necessarily mean that it doesn't exist in another's.

    I really don't see how it's in any way useful for a "realized person" to tell another that his or her deity does not exist. I will remind you that in Hinduism, one path on the road to realization is bhakti yoga.
     
  18. ChristineM

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    You stated "wheras spiritual teaching look within our mind "

    Nor do you or anyone else, but you believe. Belief is not knowledge, it is imagination.

    And yet you are happy to grasp quantum mechanics to post on RF. How false is that? As false as your claim that spiritual stuff transcends reality

    I am not arguing against what you believe. My argument is that you claim it as fact without any form of proor
     
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    Amanaki Well-Known Member

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    When you say you are an realized person, what does that mean in your understanding? How do you know you are an enlightened being?
     
  20. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    If it does, then they are welcome to believe as they will. I have made my search and decided for myself.
    I interjected because Amanaki said there is no realized person in RF. On the contrary, I think that there are many realized persons in RF.
    And you also know that in Advaita, there is no 'bhakti', because you are yourself that.
    It means that there are now no questions that puzzle me. I have answers to all questions relating to religion and spirituality. No ambiguity, no doubts, 'Nir + vana' - no tree obstructing my view - 'nirvana', 'jnana'. No 'dvandva', as we say in Hinduism - not knowing whether this is correct or that.
     
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