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Featured What is the difference between angels, aliens, thought-forms and interdimensional beings?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Diana Montgomery, Jul 12, 2019 at 4:58 PM.

  1. Diana Montgomery

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    I never believe that I know the whole truth about what goes on in our world. I study many things but that brings me to more questions. It is possible that any or all of these types of beings could exist in our world. How can we know? I know that I have met many very strange people. No I don't mean crazy. I mean people who did the oddest of things and people who told me things that they had no way of knowing or who gave me wisdom that you never hear from "normal people". I know that I have dealt with something but i don't know what they are. Maybe all of the above. How can I know?

    To me, aliens could appear to be angels because they could be so advanced that what they do would appear to be supernatural to us. We would appear to be supernatural to ancient man. Thought-forms could be created by us and therefore do or say things we are thinking about, have thought about or which are in our character. Angels could do strange things to teach us wisdom or to show us that they are real. They could have abilities which humans don't. Interdimensional beings could be capable of anything the others could do because they could have higher technologies than we do and they could be capable of things which are normal in their dimensions but not in our dimensions.

    There could also be other things such as psychics, spiritual people receiving information from God, etc.

    How do you distinguish one from the other?

    Christians, please don't tell me to test the spirits. Aliens, interdimensionals, etc. could know God. The Bible does say God “has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds” Hebrews 1:2 Notice "worlds" plural.

    Luke 20:36 “Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God”. This states that there are other beings besides angels. Yes, I know that they are speaking of saved Christians but this also shows that they have a supernatural difference from other people.

    Also, Genesis 6:1, 2 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. Who were these sons of God? They aren't called demons or angels. So, what are they? In the New Testament, sons of God are saved Christians. Obviously, that wouldn't be the case with these beings who married human women but weren't said to be from God. And if they were spirit beings, how did they create children? Yes, I do believe that angels can become solid physical beings when required as in Hebrews 13:2 Do not forget to show hospitality to strangers, for by so doing some people have shown hospitality to angels without knowing it. There are also other instances of angels interacting with humans in the Bible. If they were aliens or other beings, how could they create children? Inter-species offspring is a false concept. In biology only very closely related beings can create offspring. So, a horse and donkey can create a mule but a dog and a donkey can't create young.

    To the alien people, something from a different planet or different dimension could not create offspring. They would not be biologically compatible unless we are somehow related to them.

    So, my question for everyone of any belief is what's what? I am not currently a Christian but I do know Christianity better than other religions. That is why I quote the Bible. I am open to any belief. So, I would like to hear from anyone of any belief.
     
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    Angels, extraterrestrial aliens, and inter-dimensional beings are all thought forms; that is, they are all figments of the mind.

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    I think we can’t necessarily tell the difference between supernaturals and extra terrestrials, but we might be able to if we are able to spot their devices.

    After all even if we don’t understand helicopters we can tell the difference between a helicopter and just levitating above the ground.

    Although presumably more advanced beings would be capable of more advanced optical illusion as well so I suppose even then we couldn’t be sure of a supernatural as opposed to a scientifically advanced being
     
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    ...but...:( now I wanna say it. Just kiddin.

    When I was about 15 or 16 I walked into the main library and asked the head librarian for information about angels and spiritual warfare. She wasn't sure what to say, sort of like her education hadn't prepared her for that question.

    Assuming these beings are intelligent and that they can see you, you could attempt to signal them. In a way we already know of invisible people who live near to us, because we now know that dead people are actually alive but in a different time frame. Its possible that we sense them sometimes. Similarly we might sense future people. Its really not that much different from sensing your angels and invisible thought forms. I doubt a human would be able to tell the difference.

    Try this. Think about someplace where nobody ever goes. Leave a message for a friend in the future to go there. Then you go to that place and see if you can feel them at all. Probably you won't, but if you do that will be interesting.
     
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    It depends on what you, the individual believes it. You experience something, whatever that experience encompasses, it is up to you to make sense of it. If you are a Christian, it's likely you'll see it as a divine messenger, Jesus, God. If you believe in UFO, an extraterrestrial.

    The mind is real good at pattern recognition. It fills in all of the missing pieces to complete the pattern of whatever the experience is. If one has a lot of religious patterns/lore then the mind will use this to complete the pattern. This is mostly done on an unconscious level so the person recalls the complete pattern more so than the actual details of the experience.
     
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    Not too much would surprise me. Always good to think of any possible scenarios and also fun to. Ignore the mind police :)
     
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    To summarize this thread without too much oversimplification angels are incorporeal beings made of divine light (not light as we know as humans) who can traverse space time, dimensions, and whatever is in between. Through divine providence they can either materialize or dematerialize. They can travel beyond the concept of speed or travel itself. Within limits they know past, present, and future events so it would seem angels see time and reality simultaneously.

    Aliens are are extraterrestrial beings that exist outside the Earth in various forms as some speculate from the ones that are microscopic, to bipedal (or tripedal) sentient beings with advance knowledge of the universe.

    Thought forms is a theosophical terminology as Annie Besant proposed "each definite thought produces a double effect — a radiating vibration and a floating form." The radiating vibration "conveys the character of the thought, but not its subject." For example according to one source "A thought of love and of desire to protect, directed strongly towards some beloved object, creates a form which goes to the person thought of, and remains in his aura as a shielding and protecting agent; it will seek all opportunities to serve, and all opportunities to defend, not by a conscious and deliberate action, but by a blind following out of the impulse impressed upon it, and it will strengthen friendly forces that impinge on the aura and weaken unfriendly ones. Thus may we create and maintain veritable guardian angels round those we love..."

    An intradimensional being (or extradimensional being) is a being that exist beyond our own. Whether its a time traveler a ghost or even an angel. This is an ascription to such other dimensional beings.
     
  9. Diana Montgomery

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    If so, why would so many people believe in them? Are they all creating thought-forms. Through time, that would be millions of people, maybe billions.
     
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    The only problem I have with that theory is that even we now have technologies which can't be seen. What comes to mind are the hidden hearing aids. Someone can wear them and no one will be aware that they are.
     
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    That's a wonderful reply. I already have similar things happen. I think of people then I see them a little while later or they call me or I see someone very similar but not them. I do believe that we can contact the dead.
     
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    Thank you, Uncommon Sense, and welcome to the forums. The mind police don't really bother me because I know that they don't rule the world.
     
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    What a lovely juicy topic....thanks for posting it. :)

    They are not natural humans, but they are God's creation. These "sons" of God are referred to in other scripture as angels, which were created long before the material universe was made.

    Job 1:6 speaks about them as taking their station before God and satan entering right in among them.
    It also speaks about them 'shouting in applause' when God finished his material creation.

    Job 38:4-7...God asked Job....
    "Where were you when I founded the earth?
    Tell me, if you think you understand.

    5 Who set its measurements, in case you know,
    Or who stretched a measuring line across it?

    6 Into what were its pedestals sunk,
    Or who laid its cornerstone,
    7 When the morning stars joyfully cried out together,
    And all the sons of God began shouting in applause?"


    So as other scripture confirms, these sons of God were angels. Those who forsook their proper dwelling place and materialized human bodies to enjoy the pleasures of the flesh, later became known as demons.

    Jude 6 says..."And the angels who did not keep their original position but forsook their own proper dwelling place, he has reserved with eternal bonds in dense darkness for the judgment of the great day."

    Safe to say, these were angels who followed satan in rebellion.

    Those whom God 'adopts' as his sons are those who will go to heaven to rule with Christ. They will become like angels. i.e. spirit beings. Flesh and blood cannot live outside of the earth without life support, so God gives them a body that can live where he resides. Any personal encounter with the Creator would mean instant death for a human. At Exodus 33:20, when Moses asked to see God's glory, he was told...
    "You cannot see my face, for no man can see me and live.”

    You are correct. When angels materialized to bring God's message to Abraham about the future birth of his son Isaac, he prepared a feast for them and they ate and drank like any human. The angels in Noah's day must have been human in every respect in order to produce children. But there is no record of these children ever producing offspring themselves. So the "Nephilim" (as they were described, meaning those who cause others to fall) were sterile (the end of the genetic line). These gigantic bullies were the cause of wickedness to an incredible degree, (Genesis 6:5) forcing God to take drastic action to destroy them, along with their human imitators and to force their wicked fathers back to the spirit realm where God put them under a condition of restraint called "Tartarus". They were never able to materialize again. But they were permitted to keep living because God was not finished with them yet.

    A study of the Bible answers all your questions......its just about knowing where to look to find them.

    Hope that helps......
     
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    Thank you so much. Those are great descriptions. But how do I distinguish one from the other? I see that angels are divine beings of light as you say, but can other beings be of divine light? And I forgot to mention time travelers. That just came to mind. One more question mark.
     
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    Thank you, deeje, That does explain a lot but I do still wonder about aliens and other types of beings. If Jesus has been appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds”, then he would be the Savior of aliens. Where does it speak of that in the Bible?
     
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    That's an excellent observation. It really does explain a lot but if you are someone like me who has an open mind to possibilities, what are they? I would like to know if I am dealing with thought-forms created by my own mind or other entities created by some other source. I would also like to know if they are helpful to me or not. That might also depend on what they are. It really would make a difference to me. Also, if extraterrestrials or time travelers are as human or physical as us, they would not be in our minds. They would be a physical reality.
     
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    Yup. Didn't see any request for facts, and all I have left is opinion. But . . . in as much as you expect us to be dealing in fact here, what is your supporting evidence that, more than just a definition of terms, the following are facts:

    1) "angels are incorporeal beings made of divine light (not light as we know as humans) who can traverse space time, dimensions, and whatever is in between."

    2) "Through divine providence they can either materialize or dematerialize. They can travel beyond the concept of speed or travel itself. Within limits they know past, present, and future events so it would seem angels see time and reality simultaneously."

    3) "Within limits they know past, present, and future events so it would seem angels see time and reality simultaneously."

    4) "Aliens are are extraterrestrial beings that exist outside the Earth in various forms as some speculate from the ones that are microscopic, to bipedal (or tripedal) sentient beings with advance knowledge of the universe."

    5) "Thought forms is a theosophical terminology as Annie Besant proposed "each definite thought produces a double effect — a radiating vibration and a floating form."

    6) 'The radiating vibration "conveys the character of the thought, but not its subject."

    7) "A thought of love and of desire to protect, directed strongly towards some beloved object, creates a form which goes to the person thought of, and remains in his aura as a shielding and protecting agent; it will seek all opportunities to serve, and all opportunities to defend, not by a conscious and deliberate action, but by a blind following out of the impulse impressed upon it, and it will strengthen friendly forces that impinge on the aura and weaken unfriendly ones.

    8) "Thus may we create and maintain veritable guardian angels round those we love..."

    9) "An intradimensional being (or extradimensional being) is a being that exist beyond our own. Whether its a time traveler a ghost or even an angel. This is an ascription to such other dimensional beings."


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    We only know what God has told us. You can go crazy speculating...and what is the point? God tells us what we need to know, but not necessarily what we want to to know for now.

    We know that God created the material universe and that we as his intelligent human representatives were placed here as caretakers of this particular planet. We had a purpose in being here, so it seems logical to me that this earth is the beginning of God's purpose to perhaps populate the whole universe eventually? Who knows...God does not tell us.

    But if we take into consideration the fact that there was rebellion among God's spirit sons over the creation of man, (issues of God's sovereignty being raised) then there must be something important in connection with God's purpose to allow this rebellion to continue up until now. Otherwise God would have put it down immediately.

    Again we can speculate about other worlds and other beings out there in the vastness of space, but it seems more likely to me that the earth is his starting point. If the issues regarding rebellious use of free will and God's sovereign right to set limits for his creation are important (as I believe they are), then this is the proving ground for all issues to be resolved once and for all time, before the Creator moves on with whatever he has planned for this universe. There is no limit to what he can do.

    The results of this exercise would create precedents for all times and all worlds to come. Rebellion among free willed beings could never arise again. Its a brilliant strategy if you ask me.

    The word "worlds" in that scripture means different things in different passages. But it doesn't mean the planet, so it isn't about other worlds in the universe, populated by aliens.

    At Matthew 24:3, Jesus' disciples were asking him about how they would know that the "end of the age" was near. (same word)
    They were not asking about "the end of the world" because there will never be an end to this planet, (Ecclesiastes 1:4) but there will be an end to the "age" or the "system of things" run by corrupt humans, that is operating on it....the one that is alienated from the Creator.

    God planned the means for reconciliation way back in Eden, but the implementation of it has been a long time (in human terms) coming to its conclusion. The way I see that is, because it was not human rebellion that started this problem, but that humans were hijacked and held to ransom by a very powerful spirit creature, it was necessary to demonstrate that God is not just powerful, but has the long range benefit of all his 'children' in view. He could have stopped the original rebellion in its tracks if he had just used his power, but the original rebel never challenged God's power..... he challenged his sovereign right to set the rules.

    Allowing all, both angels and humans to experience first hand what it means to disobey the Creator has been the most important object lesson in history. Yet most people have no idea why the world is the way it is and what it means for them to learn the lesson. We have a common enemy blinding people to the truth. (2 Corinthians 4:3-4)
     
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    Difference between my post and yours is I was attempting to answer the OP by defining and distinguishing between said entities such as angels, aliens etc. I never inferred an opinion of fact unlike you when you proclaimed that said entities are creations of the mind.
     
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