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Featured What is the case for anti paedobaptism?

Discussion in 'Theological Concepts' started by Sjruru, Apr 18, 2019.

  1. MJFlores

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    A baby can be circumcised because circumcision does not require the baby to believe or repent as a prerequisite for him to have his foreskin removed.

    However, in the TRUE BAPTISM, the person to be baptized should have the capacity to believe and to repent.

    On the FAKE BAPTISM, a person do not have such rules to follow. Heck, you can even baptize your dog if you want.

     
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    You have issues. Ever consider live and let live?
     
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    No one's saying that you can't perform an infant baptism if it so pleases you. Rather were noting that, based upon the scriptures, it has no spiritual significance.
     
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    I've never heard of Michael Servetus but he sounds hysterical and off his meds. Who is he and why should anyone take any notice of him?
     
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    The emphasis that the religion you're born in gets you to Heaven rather than personal trust followed by volitional baptism as one result.
     
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    I believe that baptism should be done when the person (or child) is old enough to have some clue as to what it's for, at least.

    "The age of accountability,' when someone is aware that there is a right and wrong, and knows when s/he's done something wrong...and wants to fix that. We figure it's around eight years old. At least, that's what the church places it as, generally, and having raised five kids, I think the church is pretty well right about that. By the time a kid is eight, s/he's sneaky enough to know when s/he's about to do something wrong and try to hide it, anyway. ;)

    It's also old enough to have a basic understanding of what baptism is about, so that s/he has some inkling of what it means to him or her.

    We do not recognize any baptism but ours, anyway, so it doesn't matter much. To us. anyway, whether other people sprinkle their newborns. If they want to join us, they have to get baptized by someone WE think has the authority to do so.

    I do believe that, given what baptism is 'for,' it would be much better if the one getting baptized has some idea of what is happening and what it's all about.
     
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    This has turned into a debate, and sooner or later its all just going to wind up getting reported, moderated, deleted, chopped all to pieces.
     
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    When you have your chioren
     
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    You have to do things right.
    If one want to be saved on Judgement Day.
    Now if one has a religion for the sake of having one or
    having a religion just for fancy then
    I'm very sorry it is just a waste of time
    and that will not one live, when all things pass away.
     
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    Well if that was the case then that seems to allow a serial killer to exist so long as it is acceptable to his personal Jesus. I definitely feel christianity is doctrinal and the doctrine has implications and you must follow those implications. For instance going extinct is against the lord as he said be fruitful and multiply. Being a gesellschaft, liberal Christian includes 0-1 child families and extinction. I see it as a contradiction
     
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    >no spiritual meaning
    Edgy
     
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    I'm curious what would, to a reformist of early Christian, make paedobaptism evil. I don't buy consent as that's an enlightenment principle. The bible didn't establish paedobaptism to promote equality of age.
     
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    I don't find that to be debating since we have to deconstruct biases to find a purely theological answer
     
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    Its not up for discussion, but I will explain how it is treated here by staff. RF is set up in a way that if people don't want to debate or listen to criticism they don't have to. Its all about where they post. If it doesn't say Debate on it, then there is no deconstructing of biases, sniping of any kind, peer review etc.
     
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    I would suggest that if one doesn't believe in infant baptism then maybe they shouldn't have their children baptized.

    And for those who do believe in infant baptism, they can have their children baptized.

    Problem solved. :cool:
     
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    Alright well I don't understand your response outside of a contemporary viewpoint in regards to the OP although it is interesting
     
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    You ever feel like you're not even scratching the surface you're just covering ground other ppl made u cover? If you aren't everyone perpetually should, it's a virtue
     
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    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    I think I understand what you're saying above, and welcome here to RF.
     
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