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Please give me a good thoughtful answer, and if you can use Scripture.
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Please give me a good thoughtful answer, and if you can use Scripture.
A Christian by definition is a follower of Paul and Simon the stone (petros) (Acts 11:26); they're the people who have been purposely misled by the Pharisees not to follow Yeshua in the Synoptic Gospels...Please give me a good thoughtful answer, and if you can use Scripture.
those who believe in the nicene creed.Please give me a good thoughtful answer, and if you can use Scripture.
Please give me a good thoughtful answer, and if you can use Scripture.
A Christian is someone who follows Jesus Christ - as they understand this - and identifies as Christian.Please give me a good thoughtful answer, and if you can use Scripture.
So there were no Christians until the New Testament was compiled?As I see it, a Christian is one who believes in the divinity of Jesus Christ and finds validity in the New Testament.
Good point, especially since it was the Church that chose the NT, not the NT that chose the Church.So there were no Christians until the New Testament was compiled?
What of those Christians who were before the Nicene creed or who follow Jesus, but don't accept that creed?those who believe in the nicene creed.
So there were no Christians until the New Testament was compiled?
ah yes... the first christians' thoughts made the nicene creed. the nicene creed is a result, not the cause.What of those Christians who were before the Nicene creed or who follow Jesus, but don't accept that creed?
Interesting thoughts. Are you saying a real follower of Jesus (Yeshua) are those that follow His commands found in the Synoptic Gospels? Putting the gospel of John aside, is this what you are saying?A Christian by definition is a follower of Paul and Simon the stone (petros) (Acts 11:26); they're the people who have been purposely misled by the Pharisees not to follow Yeshua in the Synoptic Gospels...
Christianity also heavily leans on the fake Gospel of John, mostly likely written by the Sanhedrin as it matches their Pharisaic ideas.
The original real disciples of Yeshua were called 'Followers of the Way (Dharma)' or the Ebionites (Poor Ones).
In my opinion.
So the Christians who did not accept the creed or would not have accepted it are not Christians in your view. What were they then?ah yes... the first christians' thoughts made the nicene creed. the nicene creed is a result, not the cause.
I guess they accept Christ in an uncommon way. (honestly, the Orthodox Christians call them ''heretics'').So the Christians who did not accept the creed or would not have accepted it are not Christians in your view. What were they then?
In the Synoptic Gospels there is a totally different theological understanding to Christianity that came about after.Are you saying a real follower of Jesus (Yeshua) are those that follow His commands found in the Synoptic Gospels?
It can not be put aside, as John deliberately contradicts Yeshua in the Synoptic Gospels, to catch out the hypocrites.Putting the gospel of John aside, is this what you are saying?
I guess they accept Christ in an uncommon way. (honestly, the Orthodox Christians call them ''heretics'').