Father Heathen
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Why allow yourself to be walked on?My wife wears the pants in our family. Right now she's mad at me because I got fired again. She said I need to get my *** back to work NOW!
...She doesn't work.
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Why allow yourself to be walked on?My wife wears the pants in our family. Right now she's mad at me because I got fired again. She said I need to get my *** back to work NOW!
...She doesn't work.
...but you'll find JWs with innocent blood on their genitals:
Jehovah's Witnesses' handling of child sex abuse - Wikipedia
I was referring to the church itself.
It should be understood that JW's, like all other organizations that have access to children, are by no means exempt from these rock spiders infiltrating and taking advantage of our trust. Why single us out?
The handling of child sex abuse in times past was not the same as it is now. The fact that it is treated as a crime is relatively new from a criminal prosecution standpoint. It wasn't until victims were found to have a high rate of mental health issues and also a very high suicide rate that the law even began to treat this crime differently. Those accused had legal counsel to rip into victims in a court room and make them appear to have asked for what they got, or to present the perpetrator as a fine upstanding citizen in an era where children were seen and not heard. Male judges in those days often did not see sex as a criminal act unless the victim was penetrated. That made court proceedings often more traumatic for the victim often than the original offense, especially if the offender got off the charge lightly.
Thankfully all that has changed now, as to how the problem is handled in any organization and in court. Victims no longer have to face their abusers and children are now heard.
That was a pretty ignorant thing to say considering that we have a low incidence compared to many other organizations...even the Boy Scouts. We handle child abuse in a way that is no longer an issue for the courts or the victims. We wish we could prevent this from happening but these people do not have their intentions tattooed on their foreheads....they present as ordinary people whom you would never suspect of something so heinous.
It wasn't until victims were found to have a high rate of mental health issues and also a very high suicide rate that the law even began to treat this crime differently.
Every religion has its distinct characteristic
You weren't singled out. I only pointed it out to prove that your church isn't as pure and righteous as you think it is.
JW's also like to disregard "No soliciting." signs.
"solicitation - Legal Definition
A request or petition intended to obtain something; criminally urging, advising, or ordering someone to commit a crime; offering to pay for sex or requesting money in exchange for sex; an attempt to increase the number of one's actual or potential clientele."
Solicitation dictionary definition | solicitation defined
My personal experience has been that once I let the local JWs and Mormons know I was not interested they have not bothered me since.I hardly think we are guilty of that....legally speaking we are simply delivering a message. It is not forced and if you ask the JW's who call on you NOT to call again, they will put you on a "DO NOT CALL" list. This is a request that we must honor because our calls are not meant to annoy you, it is a life saving message and scripturally we are commanded to deliver it. You are under no obligation to accept it.
In the above ahadith, Muhammad claims every religion (dīn) is defined by a distinguishing and individuating value which exemplifies its broader message more than any other. This is not to say that the religion is confined to teaching this, by any means (i.e. Islam also has much to say about social justice, with the Qur'an condemning practices such as female infanticide and commending charity for the dispossessed, along with innumerable other subjects of morality). Rather, this 'characteristic' is something present throughout every strata of the faith's value system and arguably to a greater extent than other faith traditions (even though they may very well teach that same value, albeit to a more secondary or less central degree).
My religion's distinctive characteristic? Um... Ah... Well... g-strings. *cough cough*
ROTFLMAO
seriously?
You went to a legal dictionary to avoid the most obvious of obvious and thought it would work?
wow.
I mean...
Wow.
so·lic·i·ta·tion
/səˌlisəˈtāSH(ə)n/
noun
1.
the act of asking for or trying to obtain something from someone.
"he was a regular target for solicitation of funds"
My personal experience has been that once I let the local JWs and Mormons know I was not interested they have not bothered me since.
And this is over seven years ago.
So my personal experience certainly agrees with this.
My religion's distinctive characteristic? Um... Ah... Well... g-strings. *cough cough*
Hadith - Zuhd - Sunan Ibn Majah - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)
"Every religion has its distinct characteristic, and the distinct characteristic of Islam is modesty"
(Muhammad, Vol. 5, Book 37, Hadith 4181)
In the above ahadith, Muhammad claims every religion (dīn) is defined by a distinguishing and individuating value which exemplifies its broader message more than any other. This is not to say that the religion is confined to teaching this, by any means (i.e. Islam also has much to say about social justice, with the Qur'an condemning practices such as female infanticide and commending charity for the dispossessed, along with innumerable other subjects of morality). Rather, this 'characteristic' is something present throughout every strata of the faith's value system and arguably to a greater extent than other faith traditions (even though they may very well teach that same value, albeit to a more secondary or less central degree).
For example, the Islamic preoccupation with 'modesty' not only governs how Muslim men and women dress in terms of hijab rules; it also has a much more general application, with simplicity being of great importance in daily life:
Dimensions Of Manner And Morals Of The Holy Prophet
The life of His Eminence [Muhammad] was extremely simple and without any frills. His house was small and made up of clay. The floor was covered with a piece of mat and his food mostly consisted of barley bread and dates. Many a times it so happened that he did not even have this meager food and went hungry for a day or more. His clothes were simple and he mended his own shoes. But his simplicity was not due to poverty or deprivation, because he also possessed the strength to work and also had a share in war booty and public treasury.
Ibn Abbas narrates:
One day Umar came to the Holy Prophet (S) to find that the mat on which he was sitting had left an imprint on his side. He said: O Messenger of Allah (S), if you had only procured a nice carpet for yourself. The Holy Prophet (S) replied: What do I have to do with the material world? My simile in the world is like the simile of a rider traveling on a hot day and who sits under a shade for an hour; then moves on
Modesty even extends to worship style and the layout of mosques:
Adorning mosques and extravagance in building minarets and domes - Islam Question & Answer
You should avoid extravagance in the furnishings, doors and so on, for Allaah does not love those who are extravagant. Al-Bukhaari entitled a chapter in his Saheeh: “Chapter on the building of mosques; Abu Sa’eed said: The roof of the mosque – i.e., the mosque of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) – was made of palm branches. ‘Umar ordered that the mosque be rebuilt and he said: Protect the people from rain, but beware of using red or yellow (for adornment) and distracting the people. Anas said: They build mosques about boast about that, but they do not use them for worship except rarely. Ibn ‘Abbaas said: You are going toadorn (mosques) as the Jews and Christians adorn (their places of worship).By the standards of a few other religions, such as Christianity with its intricate framework of complicated dogmatic precepts, the fundamental Islamic creedo (the Shahada) is also remarkably modest in its theological scope: "I bear witness that there is no deity but God, and I bear witness that Muhammad is the messenger of God."
Abu Dawood (448) narrated that Ibn ‘Abbaas said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “I have not been commanded to build lofty mosques.” Ibn ‘Abbaas said: You are going toadorn (mosques) as the Jews and Christians adorn (their places of worship). This hadeeth was classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood.
I'm now going to open up Muhammad's basic thesis here to wider discussion: do you think there is a distinct characteristic which defines given religions, firstly your own if you happen to have one, more than any other?
Taking another example, I would venture to say that "non-violence" defines Jainism as its distinctive characteristic. Other faith traditions teach precepts of non-retaliation and forbearance towards enemies but none have been so radical - whether before or since - as the religion of Mahavira in applying it absolutely and universally through the doctrine of ahimsa. Mahatma Gandhi was of the view:
"No religion in the World has explained the principle of Ahimsa so deeply and systematically as is discussed with its applicability in every human life in Jainism. As and when the benevolent principle of Ahimsa or non-violence will be ascribed for practice by the people of the world to achieve their end of life in this world and beyond. Jainism is sure to have the uppermost status and Lord Mahavira is sure to be respected as the greatest authority on Ahimsa" (Pandey, Janardan (1998), Gandhi and 21st Century, p. 50)
Hadith - Zuhd - Sunan Ibn Majah - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)
"Every religion has its distinct characteristic, and the distinct characteristic of Islam is modesty"
(Muhammad, Vol. 5, Book 37, Hadith 4181)