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Was Ted Cruz Right?

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by Mr Spinkles, Jan 18, 2020.

  1. Mr Spinkles

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    A blast from he past, but a highly important one in our post-fact era of forgetfulness:

    Was Ted Cruz right when he said this? Was he making an accurate assessment based on the evidence of Trump’s behavior?

    Is it appropriate to question everything that a powerful man fitting Cruz’ description does, or can that be dismissed as “Trump Derangement Syndrome”?

    So many questions ....



    I’m going to tell you what I really think about Donald Trump. This man is a pathological liar. He doesn’t know the difference between truth and lies. He lies practically every word that comes out of his mouth. And in a pattern that I think is straight out of a psychology textbook, his response is to accuse everybody else of lying ... Whatever he does, he accuses everybody else of doing.

    The man cannot tell the truth but he combines it with being a narcissist. A narcissist at a level I don’t think this country has ever seen.
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    And I say pathological because if you hooked Donald Trump to a lie detector test, he could say one thing in the morning, one thing in the afternoon and one thing in the evening, all contradictory, and he’d pass. ... Whatever lie he’s telling at that minute, he believes it.

    But the man is utterly amoral. Morality does not exist for him
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    Donald is a bully. But bullies don’t come from strength they come from weakness. There’s a reason Donald puts his name in giant letters on all his buildings everywhere he goes.

    There are millions of people in this country who are angry at politicians, and I understand that anger. I share that anger. And Donald Trump is cynically exploiting that anger. And he’s lying to his supporters.
     
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  2. Father Heathen

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    I suppose a broken culture finds a broken person like him relatable. A **** king fitting for a **** kingdom
     
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  3. sun rise

    sun rise "Let there be peace and love among all"
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    This is a sadly classic example of a lack of integrity. The journey from saying what he believes to kissing Trump's butt illustrates a root problem.

    And of course the problem is not limited to him.
     
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  4. Hubert Farnsworth

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    Yeah, Cruz was right. And, ironically, Cruz is now a loyal supporter of Trump. So what does that tell us about Cruz?
     
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  5. Hubert Farnsworth

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    You put it nicely. I was going to say "sucking Trump's d***."
     
  6. Nowhere Man

    Nowhere Man Bompu Zen Man with a little bit of Bushido.

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    Name one politician who doesn't habitually lie?
     
  7. Nowhere Man

    Nowhere Man Bompu Zen Man with a little bit of Bushido.

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    Do you know how many times Donald Trump changed political parties over the course of his career?
     
  8. Father Heathen

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    Proportions, son.
     
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  9. sun rise

    sun rise "Let there be peace and love among all"
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    Lying is not like virginity - a binary question. And for that matter can you name one person who does not lie on a regular basis?

    A politician who promises something she can't deliver and knows she can't deliver is lying. Lying under oath is something else.

    I wish the ethical/moral level of humanity was higher but as it is, I differentiate motivation, quantity and additional factors such as gaslighting being involved.
     
  10. Father Heathen

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    This is about character and integrity. Very important leadership qualities.
     
  11. Mr Spinkles

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    I’ll answer your question after you answer the OP question, which you dodged. Was Ted Cruz right?
     
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  12. Nowhere Man

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  13. sun rise

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    Fair enough. So how can you make up your own mind? What evidence do you need or what information are you lacking?
     
  14. Nowhere Man

    Nowhere Man Bompu Zen Man with a little bit of Bushido.

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    For whom? Cruz or Trump?

    I really don't care about a person's character. They can both lie like Pinocchio if they want.

    I care more about the policies that particular person puts out.

    To put it in perspective, I think Obama was more truthful than Trump, but the policies state the biggest truth as far as I'm concerned.
     
  15. Father Heathen

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    How do you trust someone who can't be honest with you?
     
  16. sun rise

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    That's the way I see it as well but broaden it to integrity. If someone is without honor, then I have zero trust in him and assume that everything he does is to my detriment.
     
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    A better question is why he flipped to backing Trump. Cruz is talking about himself at this point in a way.
     
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    I saw the title and this video immediately came to mind. Yes, Ted Cruz has been incredibly right, in the past.
     
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    E.g. 911, Iraqi wmd? Comes with territory.
     
  20. Nowhere Man

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    By what they do , not what they say.
     
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