Was 'Jesus' ie; 'Yeshua', really a man of the East?

[godnotgod]

What evidence or teaching is there to point to the idea that who we call 'Jesus' was actually a man called 'Yeshua', and whose original teachings are Eastern (ie 'Dharmic') in origin? The so-called '18 missing years' of Jesus is highly suspect; it is the Son of God living in a total vacuum amongst his family and neighbors. The Christian scriptures are silent, while we have a number of accounts and reports from the East as to his whereabouts and activities.

(Note: This thread is a departure from the DIR thread: "Jesus in the Dharmic religions")

How should we view Jesus in the Dharmic Religions?

 

[Desert Snake]

I don't believe that Jesus, was a man named Yeshua.

 

[godnotgod]

I don't believe that Jesus, was a man named Yeshua.

Maybe it's not a matter of belief:

"Yeshua (or Yahushua) bar Yosef (Yeshua, son of Joseph) is the original Aramaic name for Jesus the Nazarene. His parents, siblings, disciples, and followers called him by that name. The name "Jesus" is a misspelling and mispronunciation that resulted from the translation of Yeshua's name after his death, first into the Greek Iesous (pronounced "ee-ay-SUS"), and then from the Greek Iesous into the Latin Iesus. The Latin Iesus ("ee-ay-SUS") wasn't pronounced as "Jesus" with a "J" because the letter "j" didn't come into the English language until the middle of the seventeenth century. The King James Bible, written at the beginning of the seventeenth century, has the name Iesous ("ee-ay-sus"), with no "j." So even in English, no one spoke the name "Jesus" until sometime after the middle of the seventeenth century."

http://30ce.com/

If you Google it, you will find many allusions to the idea that the name 'Jesus' was a corruption of the original name of 'Yashua' or 'Yeshua'

 

[shunyadragon]

What evidence or teaching is there to point to the idea that who we call 'Jesus' was actually a man called 'Yeshua', and whose original teachings are Eastern (ie 'Dharmic') in origin? The so-called '18 missing years' of Jesus is highly suspect; it is the Son of God living in a total vacuum amongst his family and neighbors. The Christian scriptures are silent, while we have a number of accounts and reports from the East as to his whereabouts and activities.

(Note: This thread is a departure from the DIR thread: "Jesus in the Dharmic religions")

There is no evidence for this except for a vain attempt to justify Dharmic religious beliefs.

How should we view Jesus in the Dharmic Religions?

From a more universal perspective of all the religions and belief systems without the bias of any one religion and culture Jesus Christ would be manifestation of God (Brahman).

. . . or you could consider him just another rebel messianic rabbi, or a misguided reformer that got caught up in the messianic expectations of the time.

 

[wizanda]

Was 'Jesus' ie; 'Yeshua', really a man of the East?

We can not fit an Arch Angel/Avatar/Elohim/Elder into a religion, they are the source of religions.

In my opinion.

 

[George-ananda]

I tend to think he was an adept that stayed and grew spiritually for a time in the Himalayan region.

Here is a story I believe.

Jesus in India Photo and Story

 

[Desert Snake]

Maybe it's not a matter of belief:

Belief does not mean not knowing, or not evidenced.
Beliefs can either be evidenced, or not.

 

[shunyadragon]

I tend to think he was an adept that stayed and grew spiritually for a time in the Himalayan region.

Here is a story I believe.

Jesus in India Photo and Story

It is just a story with no basis in history.

 

[George-ananda]

It is just a story with no basis in history.

There are even records (of a Saint Issa some claim as Jesus) but to tie to one historical figure is probably impossible at this time. A story is as good as the respect you have for the tellers.

 

[shunyadragon]

There are even records (of a Saint Issa some claim as Jesus) but to tie to one historical figure is probably impossible at this time. A story is as good as the respect you have for the tellers.

I consider it more likely and possible one or possibly two disciples of Jesus traveled East.

 

[godnotgod]

It is just a story with no basis in history.

Are 'Jesus's 18 missing years history, or just a story?

 

[shunyadragon]

Are 'Jesus's 18 missing years history, or just a story?

The years of Jesus's life not accounted in the gospels is just that missing years with no indication other than that he lived and worked with his father as a carpenter, and possibly studied the scriptures. The gospels are not that accurate of a first person biography. They are compiled more than 50 to 100 years after Jesus died to draw any definitive conclusions concerning the life of Jesus.

'Arguing from ignorance' is just that and a fallacy. The Mormons claim he went to America.

 

[Phantasman]

What evidence or teaching is there to point to the idea that who we call 'Jesus' was actually a man called 'Yeshua', and whose original teachings are Eastern (ie 'Dharmic') in origin? The so-called '18 missing years' of Jesus is highly suspect; it is the Son of God living in a total vacuum amongst his family and neighbors. The Christian scriptures are silent, while we have a number of accounts and reports from the East as to his whereabouts and activities.

(Note: This thread is a departure from the DIR thread: "Jesus in the Dharmic religions")

How should we view Jesus in the Dharmic Religions?

Did you read all the Christian scriptures or just the New Testament?

Jesus died. It is Christ that lives. Jesus was a physical holy thing (Luke). He never became Christ until the Spirit anointed him (baptism).

 

[godnotgod]

Did you read all the Christian scriptures or just the New Testament?

Jesus died. It is Christ that lives. Jesus was a physical holy thing (Luke). He never became Christ until the Spirit anointed him (baptism).

I am only referring to whatever possible evidence exists in terms of history, but in the case of Jesus, or Yeshua, no body was recovered so we don't know that he actually died as a result of his crucifixion. There are theories in which he may have been cared for and then spirited off via of a deal between friends and family with the Romans to the Buddhist Hemis monastery at Leh Ladakh, in the Himalayas, where he was known to the monks as 'our beloved St. Issa', the deal being the reason his legs were not broken while those of the other two crucified were broken.

"Issa (or Issi) is a corrupted form of the Skt. Rishi (or Riksha). Issa is how the Muslims call Jesus Christ, whom they acknowledge as a sort of saint. The Rishis are the "Sages" or "Seers" who revealed the Vedas (Hindu evangels) to the world. They date from Vedic times in India, being far older than the times of Christ, and even of Israel as a Biblical nation in Palestine. The Rishis are widely worshipped in the Far East, whence their cult passed to the Near Orient and, thence, through Alexandria, into Greece and Rome.

The several etyms of the name of Jesus/Issa in Sanskrit reveal the Indian origin of both his myth and his onomastic. Isha (or Ishan or Ishwa) means "Lord", as we already said. Emmanuel or Manuel derives from Manu-el, that is "Lord Manu", meaning "Saviour Lord". Ishva (read "Ishwa") means "Master" ( = Rabbi, a frequent designative of Christ). Ishi (or Isha) means "Rishi", that is, "the one who reveals the Evangels", like the Seven Rishis, who preceded him, and whose myth he copied.

The Essenes — from whom most of the doctrines allegedly preached by Jesus were copied — called such initiates and prophets by the name of Issar (plural Issarim). In Sanskrit (the sacred language of India in which such myths were composed) many etyms are telltale of the true origin of the myth of Christ. In it, Ishu means "missile" and, more exactly "envoy", "messenger", emissary". Jesus/Ishu is thus "the Celestial Messenger" or "Angel" (Angelos in Greek means just this), the avatar commemorated in the Mass (Latin Missa = Emissa = Emissary").

Isha also the same as Rishi (or Riksha or Rishabha), meaning the sacrificial bull (or lamb) that represents the Saviour in many ancient traditions, as well as in Christianism. Isha also means the Elixir (Soma), to which Christ is mystically identified. In fact, Soma is an ancient Hindu god whose sacrifice — the same one aped verbatim in the Christian Mass — results in the production of the Elixir (or Eucharist), precisely as in Christianism."

http://www.rickrichards.com/jc/JesusComment2.html

 

[sayak83]

What evidence or teaching is there to point to the idea that who we call 'Jesus' was actually a man called 'Yeshua', and whose original teachings are Eastern (ie 'Dharmic') in origin? The so-called '18 missing years' of Jesus is highly suspect; it is the Son of God living in a total vacuum amongst his family and neighbors. The Christian scriptures are silent, while we have a number of accounts and reports from the East as to his whereabouts and activities.

(Note: This thread is a departure from the DIR thread: "Jesus in the Dharmic religions")

How should we view Jesus in the Dharmic Religions?

Cool. Finally in the right section...
I would hazard a NO as answer.
Reason... the documents that claim this are very very late.

 

[godnotgod]

I don't believe that Jesus, was a man named Yeshua.

The scholarly consensus seems to indicate that they are, with the exception being that 'Jesus' represents Yeshua with pagan doctrines overlaid onto Yeshua. Yeshua, an Essene of the sect of the Nazarenes, did not teach blood sacrifice nor bodily resurrection. These doctrines came from the pagan religions, along with that of a virgin birth.

 

[godnotgod]

Cool. Finally in the right section...
I would hazard a NO as answer.
Reason... the documents that claim this are very very late.

I see, but can you me a bit more specific?

 

[YmirGF]

The years of Jesus's life not accounted in the gospels is just that missing years with no indication other than that he lived and worked with his father as a carpenter, and possibly studied the scriptures. The gospels are not that accurate of a first person biography compiled more than fifty years after Jesus died to draw any definitive conclusions concerning the life of Jesus.

'Arguing from ignorance' is just that and a fallacy. The Morons claim he went to America.

I'm pretty sure you intended to use the word Mormons here, though I could be quite wrong.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

What evidence or teaching is there to point to the idea that who we call 'Jesus' was actually a man called 'Yeshua', and whose original teachings are Eastern (ie 'Dharmic') in origin? The so-called '18 missing years' of Jesus is highly suspect; it is the Son of God living in a total vacuum amongst his family and neighbors. The Christian scriptures are silent, while we have a number of accounts and reports from the East as to his whereabouts and activities.

(Note: This thread is a departure from the DIR thread: "Jesus in the Dharmic religions")

How should we view Jesus in the Dharmic Religions?

That is what Indians want you to believe

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Yeshua, in Aramaic christianity, also has the attribution, of JHVH, or the literalness, of JHVH. The meaning, when referring to Jesus/Yeshua, is literally different, then say, when referring to Old Testament Joshua.

When referring to Jesus/Yeshua, it means Jesus/Yeshua, is the one saving. In other words, JHVH who is Yeshua, saves.

Dude, what? I love how non-Aramaic speaking people try to explain Aramaic which is not the point of the thread.