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Was Islam spread by the sword?
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outhouse
Atheistically
According to Keith Small, with the University of Oxford’s Bodleian Library, the discovery could force scholars to give more attention to outlier theories that Muhammad appropriated texts already in existence and claimed that he received them as revelations from Angel Gabriel.
Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/2382300/th...ns-of-islam-scholars-say/#EFVQa0EmZGAyJJdX.99
Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/2382300/th...ns-of-islam-scholars-say/#EFVQa0EmZGAyJJdX.99
RAYYAN
Proud Muslim
I am not dancing around anything, you are misinformed, as I said (and I repeat maybe you get it this time)
The material that was written on maybe was old as carbon dating shows, but that doesn't mean the text is that old.
and again, if We said that is true, how did you know that Waraqa wrote the Quran?
outhouse
Atheistically
I did not claim he wrote it.
I claimed it is possible he wrote parts of it.
Because the koran is an Arabic version of the bible, and Waraka is known to write Arabic version of bible
RAYYAN
Proud Muslim
Got you, and that you for clarifying that. then I have one question
However, there are similarities in the stories of the bible and the Quran, but there are significant differences, if it was copied by Waraqa who is a scholar of the Bible, why are there differences?
outhouse
Atheistically
We do not mean copied word for word, we mean plagiarized
Because waraka was not a normal Christian, we was known as a member of a "heretical sect" . That means they make biblical things up to fit their personal needs.
This Arabic culture found value in monotheism to one god, but needed a slightly different version for its own needs. So the bible was plagiarized. That means they used what they found valuable and threw out the rest.
Christianity plagiarized the OT text. Judaism plagiarized the Canaanite and Mesopotamian mythology. And we see islam plagiarizing it all/
Its OK all abrahamic traditions were plagiarized academically speaking.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Mestemia said: ↑
What does the Koran say about cars?
What does the Koran say about cloning?
What does the Koran say about medicine?
other than camel urine is a magical cure all...
paarsurrey said: ↑
Are you against animals? Camel is an innocent animal. Isn't it? Please
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I give the account as to how with a camel Islam spread in Australia:
Origins and arrival of cameleers
Known in Australia as ‘Afghans’, the cameleers came mainly from the arid hills and plains of Baluchistan, Afghanistan and the north-west of British India (today’s Pakistan). The cameleers belonged to four main ethnic groups: Pashtun, Baluchi, Punjabi, and Sindhi.
Despite cultural and linguistic differences, the cameleers shared ancient skills. In their homelands many led semi-nomadic lives, carrying goods by camel string along centuries-old trade routes through arid and harsh regions of Central Asia.
The cameleers also shared the Islamic religion, which had spread eastwards through Afghanistan and northern India between the 7th and 10th centuries. The Muslim faith blended with local custom, such as the Pashtun code of honour, the Pashtunwali. Islam was a strong bond between cameleers in Australia, despite their different ethnic and linguistic backgrounds. A small number of cameleers were of the Sikh religion, but the great majority were Muslim. Many found time for prayer as they travelled through the outback. In their communities Small iron or earth-walled mosques provided a focus for daily prayer, religious festivals, and sociability.
The cameleers spoke a mix of languages in Australia , reflecting their diverse origins. It is likely that Pashto, Dari (Persian), Baluchi, Punjabi, Sindhi and Urdu were heard in the streets of Kalgoorlie, Bourke and Marree. Some cameleers were literate, while others relied upon oral tradition, reciting poems or folk-tales at evening campfires and celebrations. Although the language of the Qur’ãn was not widely spoken in Central Asia, the cameleers uttered their prayers in Arabic.
By the late 1850s it seemed clear that camels would provide the best and most efficient means of exploring inland Australia and transporting goods across it. Horse and bullock teams could not cope with the sandy deserts, extreme heat and lack of water.
Several attempts were made to introduce camels. In 1860 organisers of the Burke and Wills Expedition brought 24 camels and their handlers from Peshawar and Karachi. Five years later, South Australian pastoralists Thomas Elder and Samuel Stuckey imported 124 camels and 31 cameleers on a three-year contract to cart wool and supplies. More contracts followed. During the early 1870s these pioneering cameleers played a vital role in exploration and helped construct the Overland Telegraph Line.
European cameleers were not unknown, but the Muslim cameleers were recognised as the best and most efficient. For them the camel was more than a beast of burden; it figures in the Qur’ãn as a ‘blessed animal’. Most cameleers knew each of their camels by name.
At least 2000 cameleers and 20,000 camels arrived in Australia during the period from 1870 to 1920. The 1893 gold discoveries at Kalgoorlie and Coolgardie greatly increased demand. A vast network of camel routes spread across the inland.
Most cameleers arrived in Australia as young men, in their 20s or 30s. Many left wives and families at home, returning to them at the end of their contracts. Others stayed on in Australia, and some formed unions with European or Aboriginal women. Today their descendants retain strong links with this distinctive heritage.
http://www.cameleers.net/?page_id=2
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What does the Koran say about cars?
What does the Koran say about cloning?
What does the Koran say about medicine?
other than camel urine is a magical cure all...
paarsurrey said: ↑
Are you against animals? Camel is an innocent animal. Isn't it? Please
Regards
Please lend me your ears.
I give the account as to how with a camel Islam spread in Australia:
Origins and arrival of cameleers
Known in Australia as ‘Afghans’, the cameleers came mainly from the arid hills and plains of Baluchistan, Afghanistan and the north-west of British India (today’s Pakistan). The cameleers belonged to four main ethnic groups: Pashtun, Baluchi, Punjabi, and Sindhi.
Despite cultural and linguistic differences, the cameleers shared ancient skills. In their homelands many led semi-nomadic lives, carrying goods by camel string along centuries-old trade routes through arid and harsh regions of Central Asia.
The cameleers also shared the Islamic religion, which had spread eastwards through Afghanistan and northern India between the 7th and 10th centuries. The Muslim faith blended with local custom, such as the Pashtun code of honour, the Pashtunwali. Islam was a strong bond between cameleers in Australia, despite their different ethnic and linguistic backgrounds. A small number of cameleers were of the Sikh religion, but the great majority were Muslim. Many found time for prayer as they travelled through the outback. In their communities Small iron or earth-walled mosques provided a focus for daily prayer, religious festivals, and sociability.
The cameleers spoke a mix of languages in Australia , reflecting their diverse origins. It is likely that Pashto, Dari (Persian), Baluchi, Punjabi, Sindhi and Urdu were heard in the streets of Kalgoorlie, Bourke and Marree. Some cameleers were literate, while others relied upon oral tradition, reciting poems or folk-tales at evening campfires and celebrations. Although the language of the Qur’ãn was not widely spoken in Central Asia, the cameleers uttered their prayers in Arabic.
By the late 1850s it seemed clear that camels would provide the best and most efficient means of exploring inland Australia and transporting goods across it. Horse and bullock teams could not cope with the sandy deserts, extreme heat and lack of water.
Several attempts were made to introduce camels. In 1860 organisers of the Burke and Wills Expedition brought 24 camels and their handlers from Peshawar and Karachi. Five years later, South Australian pastoralists Thomas Elder and Samuel Stuckey imported 124 camels and 31 cameleers on a three-year contract to cart wool and supplies. More contracts followed. During the early 1870s these pioneering cameleers played a vital role in exploration and helped construct the Overland Telegraph Line.
European cameleers were not unknown, but the Muslim cameleers were recognised as the best and most efficient. For them the camel was more than a beast of burden; it figures in the Qur’ãn as a ‘blessed animal’. Most cameleers knew each of their camels by name.
At least 2000 cameleers and 20,000 camels arrived in Australia during the period from 1870 to 1920. The 1893 gold discoveries at Kalgoorlie and Coolgardie greatly increased demand. A vast network of camel routes spread across the inland.
Most cameleers arrived in Australia as young men, in their 20s or 30s. Many left wives and families at home, returning to them at the end of their contracts. Others stayed on in Australia, and some formed unions with European or Aboriginal women. Today their descendants retain strong links with this distinctive heritage.
http://www.cameleers.net/?page_id=2
Regards
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Further to Posts #2717, #2720 ,and #2722 in response to OP's Post #1 I have to add:
Please focus on the following points.
Now I give peaceful spread of Ahmadiyya true Islam in
Egypt. [1]
Weighing of the heart scene from the Book of the Dead
Egypt is a predominantly Sunni Muslim country with Islam as its state religion. The percentage of adherents of various religions is a controversial topic in Egypt. An estimated 90% are identified as Muslim, 9% as Coptic Christians, and 1% as other Christian denominations.[nb 2] Non-denominational Muslims form roughly 12% of the population.[213]
After Islam arrived in the 7th century, Egypt emerged as a centre of politics and culture in the Muslim world. Under Anwar Sadat, Islam became the official state religion and Sharia the main source of law.[214] It is estimated that 15 million Egyptians follow Native Sufi orders,[215][216][217]with the Sufi leadership asserting that the numbers are much greater as many Egyptian Sufis are not officially registered with a Sufi order.[216]
There is also a Shi'a minority. The Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs estimates the Shia population at 1 to 2.2 million[218] and could measure as much as 3 million.[219] The Ahmadiyya population is estimated at less than 50 thousand,[220] whereas the Salafi (ultra-conservative) population is estimated at five to six million.[221] Cairo is famous for its numerous mosque minarets and has been dubbed "The City of 1,000 Minarets".[222]
Egypt recognises only three religions: Islam, Christianity, and Judaism. Other faiths and minority Muslim sects practised by Egyptians, such as the small Bahá'í and Ahmadi community, are not recognised by the state and face persecution since they are recognised as far right groups that threaten Egypt's national security.[225][226]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt
Country/Region:
Egypt
Ahmadiyya population : 50,000
Percentage (%) of Muslims :0.1
Percentage (%) of population : < 0.1
Notes/Sources : Estimate[15]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmadiyya_by_country
Does one see any sword used for spread of Ahmadiyya true Islam in
Egypt ?
Regards
Please focus on the following points.
- Islam has been reformed under the Ahmadiyya and is one of the fastest spreading religious community in the world.
- Ahmadiyya or true Islam has peacefully spread in about 206 countries/territories of the world. In about 150 years Ahmadiyya are already more than the Zoroastrians and perhaps the Judaism people, no disrespect intended to anybody.
- if one is truthful one would increase despite the opposition, persecution and killings done by the opponents.
- Ahmadiyya Muslims follow teachings of Quran as did Muhammad follow. In fact Ahmadiyya follow in Muhammad’s footsteps.
- Those who doubt that Islam spread peacefully in times of Muhammad they should focus on spread of Ahmadiyya true Islam, If it has happened now peacefully, it should be a clear sign for the doubtful that Islam spread peacefully in times of Muhammad.
Now I give peaceful spread of Ahmadiyya true Islam in
Weighing of the heart scene from the Book of the Dead
Egypt is a predominantly Sunni Muslim country with Islam as its state religion. The percentage of adherents of various religions is a controversial topic in Egypt. An estimated 90% are identified as Muslim, 9% as Coptic Christians, and 1% as other Christian denominations.[nb 2] Non-denominational Muslims form roughly 12% of the population.[213]
After Islam arrived in the 7th century, Egypt emerged as a centre of politics and culture in the Muslim world. Under Anwar Sadat, Islam became the official state religion and Sharia the main source of law.[214] It is estimated that 15 million Egyptians follow Native Sufi orders,[215][216][217]with the Sufi leadership asserting that the numbers are much greater as many Egyptian Sufis are not officially registered with a Sufi order.[216]
There is also a Shi'a minority. The Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs estimates the Shia population at 1 to 2.2 million[218] and could measure as much as 3 million.[219] The Ahmadiyya population is estimated at less than 50 thousand,[220] whereas the Salafi (ultra-conservative) population is estimated at five to six million.[221] Cairo is famous for its numerous mosque minarets and has been dubbed "The City of 1,000 Minarets".[222]
Egypt recognises only three religions: Islam, Christianity, and Judaism. Other faiths and minority Muslim sects practised by Egyptians, such as the small Bahá'í and Ahmadi community, are not recognised by the state and face persecution since they are recognised as far right groups that threaten Egypt's national security.[225][226]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt
Country/Region:
EgyptAhmadiyya population : 50,000
Percentage (%) of Muslims :0.1
Percentage (%) of population : < 0.1
Notes/Sources : Estimate[15]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmadiyya_by_country
Does one see any sword used for spread of Ahmadiyya true Islam in
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outhouse
Atheistically
people are in hospital beds bleeding right now because of your religions continued bloodshed in spreading its ideology of no tolerance followed by millions of muslims
outhouse
Atheistically
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
paarsurrey said: ↑
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Quran/Islam/Muhammad has nothing to do with it. You would kindly testify to it. Right?
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outhouse
Atheistically
It has everything to do with it, islam breeds terrorism, violence and bloodshed since it started, it has never stopped.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Quran/Islam/Muhammad did not say that, thats what matters. Right?
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The Emperor of Mankind
Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
Looks like he's found a new record to repeat ad infinitum.
outhouse
Atheistically
I did not say the book said anything did I! pay attention.
I said quite clearly most muslims don't even call you a muslim, they call you something else.
outhouse
Atheistically
Its hard to say something positive right now.
The Emperor of Mankind
Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
Tell me about it...
gnostic
The Lost One
Paarsurrey keeps moving the bloody goalpost.
First, he attempted to bring Islam in general, like Muhammad, Sunni, Shia, etc, but when he encountered problems and counter-argument, he would switched Islam to Ahmadiyya only, only switched back to Muhammad and Sunni when it suit him, which has nothing to do with Ahmadiyya.
What a load of two-face craps he'd pull...
First, he attempted to bring Islam in general, like Muhammad, Sunni, Shia, etc, but when he encountered problems and counter-argument, he would switched Islam to Ahmadiyya only, only switched back to Muhammad and Sunni when it suit him, which has nothing to do with Ahmadiyya.
What a load of two-face craps he'd pull...
gnostic
The Lost One
It's actually the weighting of ba, which is sometimes depicted as a heart or sometimes as a little version of the person, like figurine.
The ba is supposedly an Egyptian version of the soul.
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