Victims of Communism

[Little Dragon]

Vietnam is no longer communist. It has a lot of private enterprise, too.

Vietnam looks to bolster private sector output

Communist-ruled nation determined to make private enterprise main economic driver

www.ft.com

Vietnam is a one party communist state my friend. Operating a mixed economic system, which is fully in line with socialist economic theory.

 

[Little Dragon]

Note "The economy of Vietnam is a developing mixed socialist-oriented market economy, which is the 36th-largest in the world as measured by nominal gross domestic product (GDP) and 26th-largest in the world as measured by purchasing power parity (PPP) in 2022""

Socialist orientated market economy.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Vietnam is a one party communist state my friend. Operating a mixed economic system, which is fully in line with socialist economic theory.

It is similar to China in that it is nominally communist but practically has a market economy with a lot of private enterprise. There's nothing communist about having many privately owned businesses, whether in a one-party state or otherwise.

 

[Little Dragon]

There's nothing communist about having many privately owned businesses, whether in a one-party state or otherwise.

Well, then perhaps we have different ideas of what socialism actually advocates.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Well, then perhaps we have different ideas of what socialism actually advocates.

I wasn't talking about socialism, though; only communism.

 

[Little Dragon]

Anyway, it was the atrocities committed by communist governments that was the issue right? What did Vietnam do apart from destroy the Khmer Rouge and stop the genocide of their own people in Cambodia...?

 

[Revoltingest]

We're not going to find concordance here, comrade.

I know.
We live in the post dictionary age.

 

[Little Dragon]

I wasn't talking about socialism, though; only communism.

Communism is a subdivision of socialism...or the other way around. Either way.

 

[Little Dragon]

I know.
We live in the post dictionary age.

Sick burn...

 

[Debater Slayer]

Communism is a subdivision of socialism...

Not necessarily, although some socialists see it as the "end stage" of socialism—a utopian goal. Needless to say, actual attempts to achieve a communist society have been less than stellar...

 

[Little Dragon]

Not necessarily, although some socialists see it as the "end stage" of socialism—a utopian goal. Needless to say, actual attempts to achieve a communist society have been less than stellar...

Well, no need to give up. It is the future.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Well, no need to give up. It is the future.

I don't think communism is achievable except perhaps on an extremely small scale, like that of a tribe or group of tribes. It ignores human nature and the need for individual incentive, among other issues it has.

 

[Revoltingest]

Sick burn...

I don't know what that means,
but it sounds potentially good.

 

[Little Dragon]

It ignores human nature and the need for individual incentive, among other issues it has.

We could say that about an unfettered free market.

 

[Debater Slayer]

We could say that about an unfettered free market.

Agreed.

 

[Revoltingest]

We could say that about an unfettered free market.

Do fans of socialism & communism ever use the
"unfettered" prefix before their favored systems?
I don't know of any current capitalist economy
that's unfettered or advocated to be so.
The word smells of straw.

 

[Little Dragon]

I don't think communism is achievable except perhaps on an extremely small scale, like that of a tribe or group of tribes

Some tribes, have no concept of theft, or private ownership. Truly God's innocents...

 

[Little Dragon]

Do fans of socialism & communism ever use the
"unfettered" prefix in front of their favored systems?
I don't know of any current capitalist economy
that's unfettered or advocated to be so.
The word smells of straw.

Yes. Unfettered state ownership, would be problematic.
Neither do I, but people like Ayn Rand (RIP) advocate for such systems.
[nevermind]

 

[Little Dragon]

I don't think communism is achievable except perhaps on an extremely small scale, like that of a tribe or group of tribes. It ignores human nature and the need for individual incentive, among other issues it has.

I think if we removed the human factor from economic decision making and planning. If resources were distributed by an agency that has no bias or preference or vested interest...

 

[Twilight Hue]

For whatever reasons the stories of people victimized by varied communist governments does not get much coverage, and thus we do not fully realize the horrors still being visited upon the people of China, Cuba & other nations.
Here are a few examples, told by those who personally knew what happened:

https://www.victimsofcommunism.org/witnessproject

Authoritarianism is a frightening trend going on in the world.

Understanding the Global Rise of Authoritarianism

fsi.stanford.edu

I'm starting to think people want it thinking the government is the answer to their problems and are willing to give up their freedoms in exchange for safety and security.