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Featured Unscientific, Secularist Cosmology: Everything from Nothing! Not!

Discussion in 'Evolution Vs. Creationism' started by ftacky, Oct 5, 2016.

  1. ftacky

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    The laws of physics tell us: Matter cannot be created (nor can it create itself).

    Question: Has anyone ever seen something come from nothing? If you have, your eyes are lying to you.
    Question: Do you believe something can come from nothing? If you do, you are lying to yourself.

    This hasn't stopped secularists - bent on denying their Creator - from making up fanciful and unscientific theories to sooth their consciences. Here are some quotes:


    "Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing...Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist." (Stephen Hawking: 'God did not create the Universe'; http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11161493).

    "But the latest scientific consensus asserts that the universe sprang naturally from nothing because the total energy of the universe equals zero (thanks to negative energy). Nature abhors a void and fills it with quantum fluctuations." ('Is Everybody 100% Positive There is no God?', http://www.atheistnexus.org).

    Richard Dawkins: "The fact that life evolved out of nearly nothing, some 10 billion years AFTER THE UNIVERSE EVOLVED OUT OF LITERALLY NOTHING is a fact so staggering that I would be mad to attempt words to do it justice." ('From tail to tale on the path of pilgrims in life', The Scotsman, April 9, 2005).

    "It is rather fantastic to realize that the laws of physics can describe how everything was created in a random quantum fluctuation out of nothing, and how over the course of 15 billion years, matter could organize in such complex ways that we have human beings sitting here, talking, doing things intentionally." (Alan Harvey Guth, theoretical physicist and cosmologist, Discover Magazine, April 1, 2002)

    "To the average person it might seem obvious that nothing can happen in nothing. But to a quantum physicist, nothing is, in fact, something." (Discover Magazine, 'Physics & Math/Cosmology').

    "To understand these facts we have to turn to science. Where did they all come from, and how did they get so darned outrageous? Well, it all started with nothing." ('Fifty Outrageous Animal Facts', Animal Planet).

    "Few people are aware of the fact that many modern physicists claim that things -- perhaps even the entire universe -- can indeed arise from nothing via natural processes." ('Creation ex nihilo -- Without God', 1997, Atheist, Mark I. Vuletic).

    "This initial paucity of information is consistent with the notion that the universe sprang from nothing." ( 'The Universe Sprang From Nothing', Seth Lloyd, Physicist).

    "Assuming the universe came from nothing, it is empty to begin with . . . Only by the constant action of an agent outside the universe, such as God, could a state of nothingness be maintained. The fact that we have something is just what we would expect if there is no God." (Victor J. Stenger, atheist, Prof. Physics, University of Hawaii. Author of, 'God: The Failed Hypothesis. How Science Shows That God Does Not Exist').

    "Even if we don't have a precise idea of exactly what took place at the beginning, we can at least see that the origin of the universe from nothing need not be unlawful or unnatural or unscientific." (Paul Davies, physicist, Arizona State University).

    "Some physicists believe our universe was created by colliding with another, but Kaku [a theoretical physicist at City University of New York] says it also may have sprung from nothing . . . " (Scienceline.org)

    "Maybe the universe itself sprang into existence out of nothingness - a gigantic vacuum fluctuation which we know today as the big bang. Remarkably, the laws of modern physics allow for this possibility. (Pagels, 1982, 247. 'How the Universe can come from Nothing').

    "The universe burst into something from absolutely nothing—zero, nada. And as it got bigger, it became filled with even more stuff that came from absolutely nowhere." (Discover magazine, April 2002).

    "Space and time both started at the Big Bang and therefore there was nothing before it." (Cornell University 'Ask an Astronomer').

    "It is now becoming clear that everything can -- and probably did -- come from nothing." (Robert A. J. Matthews, physicist, Ashton University, England).

    "Prior to the singularity, nothing existed, not space, time, matter, or energy - nothing. So where and in what did the singularity appear if not in space? We don't know." (All About Science).

    "So now you have an idea of just what went on in the early Universe, and how we got from nothing to something. But if you want the really short version, it runs like this, 'First there was nothing, then there was the Big Bang, and energy cooled down into matter, and we're made of matter, so here we are." (Karl S. Kruszelnicki, News in Science).

    "If this admittedly speculative hypothesis is correct, then the answer to the ultimate question is that the universe is the ultimate free lunch! It came from nothing, and its total energy is zero, but it nevertheless has incredible structure and complexity." (Alexei V. Filippenko and Jay M. Pasachoff, 'A Universe from Nothing').

    "It's no miracle, it requires no magic man in the sky, particle/anti-particle pairs just pop into existence constantly." (PZ Myers, Something Comes From Nothing; Pharyngula, February 3, 2011).

    “The universe is flat. It has zero total energy and it could have begun from nothing ...
    If you have nothing in quantum mechanics, you'll always get something. It's that simple.”
    (Theoretical physicist Lawrence Krauss, 'A Universe From Nothing', October 21, 2009, Atheist Alliance International event).

    “Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist.” (Professor Stephen Hawking, 'Stephen Hawking says universe not created by God', September 2, 2010, The Guardian Online).


    Question: Why do so many scientists with PhDs believe all matter in the universe came from nothing? That is, mega-tons of dirt and rock - from nothing! They know the standard laws of physics. So why?

    Jesus gave us the answer: The Narrow and Wide Gates (Matthew 7):

    “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."

    We will notice that Jesus made no mention of educational status. This is because, whether we on the broad road running away from God or on the narrow road running to God, our education and intellect is not the key - instead, the key is our motives and attitudes.

    Matthew 5: Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.

    Question: What is the condition of your heart? Are you prejudiced against God?

    Instead of entertaining fairy tales (which violate the laws of physics) about how everything came from nothing, we all need to heed these words:

    “Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened." (Matthew 7)

    "You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart." (Jeremiah 29).

    Do this experiment: Pray God would open you eyes, then read the Bible daily with an open mind. I suggest starting at Matthew.


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  2. Mestemia

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    I think you did a most excellent job whooping that strawmans ***
     
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  3. George-ananda

    George-ananda Advaita Vedanta and Spiritualist and Pantheist
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    That it is all a thought-form of Brahman.
     
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  4. ftacky

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    For your sake I wish it were a strawman. Really I do.

    But here it is folks - SCIENTISTS - telling us to believe that EVERYTHING came from nothing!

    Those quotes above are PROOF that not just one scientist, but MANY scientists can be completely wrong. No straw man here. Only an empty claim disguised as "science".

    Why so many scientists acting like fools? Jesus predicted it with the broad road (which many are on) and the narrow road (which few are on). Be one of the few.

    The Narrow and Wide Gates (Matthew 7):

    “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."
     
  5. LuisDantas

    LuisDantas Aura of atheification
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    You really ought to take a second look at your claims. They are more than a slight bit mistaken.
     
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  6. Thief

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    I believe in God because of science
    yeah
     
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    No they do not.

    No.

    No.

    I think you lack the education to coherently talk about such things, and may suffer from the Dunning–Kruger effect. I would also say you did a most excellent job whooping that strawmans ***, but Mestemia beat me to it.


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  8. Thief

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    so substance is self starting and self creating?

    and substance will remain at rest until pushed

    apparently science does lack that explanation of the ......
    pinch and snap of God's fingers
     
  9. LuisDantas

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    Why do you think there is such a thing as a start for "substance"?
     
  10. Thief

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    science would have you believe....
    all of this reality sprung from one primordial location
    and also....substance will not move until action upon it

    Spirit first
     
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    Nice sermon.
    However, it did not answer the question.

    Care to try again or do you still think your old worn out song and dance will fool anyone, even though it hasn't for the last seven years?
     
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  12. Mestemia

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    Please define "many".
    Please define "scientist".

    I ask because your usage strongly indicates you are using definitions that are far from the standard dictionary definitions.
     
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  13. psychoslice

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    And religion would have you believing it all came into being by a man in the sky, POOF, just like that lol.
     
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    And if you click your heels three times... it just might be true... Well, maybe... maybe, not.
     
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    I heartily suspect that you are not the slightest bit interested in what I think of your assumptions.
     
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    Oh, Dorothy you are so funny.
     
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  17. Rick O'Shez

    Rick O'Shez Irishman bouncing off walls

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  18. LuisDantas

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    Uh, no. That is exactly wrong.

    Science is not a credo.
     
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  19. Thief

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    so you are making denial of science?

    you might have to go out on a limb..........................................................................
     
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    no...no....

    God....in the beginning.....
     
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