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Trumps off the hook

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
some improvement in funding and allowance of drug and medical trials
That one I will admit was a good thing, and generally anything that puts healthcare between a doctor and patient and empowers the patient is.
NASA funding he did increase, but at the same time he also gave unrealistic expectations and goals. But it's the thought that counts, I suppose, even though Trump obviously has no idea just how severely underfunded, resourced, and staffed NASA really is.

Those few areas are hardly counterbalance for the egregious failures and mismanagements in other areas.
Definitely. He got that credit. Now it's time he get his credit due of a lashing for daring to tell science researchers they are forbidden from using certain words, for the harm he caused to many federal workers so he could attempt to get a wall that nobody wants, for his tax reform causing extra financial hardships for grad students, for separating children from parents, for useless and petty military actions, removing all obstacles and barriers Iran had towards obtaining nuclear weapons, initiating a trade war he can't win, failure to denounce racist protesting that involved the death of a counter protestor and to the contrary portraying both sides involved as equally "good people," causing undue stress and hardships to those born of certain countries for no other reason than they were born from that country (and the list doesn't really match entirely or accurately where the biggest threats of terrorism are coming from and who is supporting them), his appalling cabinet appointments, his lies over trivial and petty bs that nobody but him cares about, and for being an insecure douche with abnormally tiny hands for someone of his height/size.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
They were all over Syria when he came in. As of last night, they’re not.
It was inevitable by the time Trump came into office. In Syria and Iraq, by the time Trump became president ISIS' time a pseudo-state had already came to an end. And, again, US forces only deserve credit for the assistance they gave. Those air strikes probably did decisively tilt the war in favor of those fighting against ISIS. But it was not America who did most of the fighting on the ground. It was not American forces facing the greatest dangers and saving their last bullet and grenade for themselves.
And they still control a small area of territory in Syria as of now, the fighting still continues on, and experts predict ISIS will linger on as an ideological threat for some time to come.
 

Watchmen

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
It was inevitable by the time Trump came into office. In Syria and Iraq, by the time Trump became president ISIS' time a pseudo-state had already came to an end. And, again, US forces only deserve credit for the assistance they gave. Those air strikes probably did decisively tilt the war in favor of those fighting against ISIS. But it was not America who did most of the fighting on the ground. It was not American forces facing the greatest dangers and saving their last bullet and grenade for themselves.
And they still control a small area of territory in Syria as of now, the fighting still continues on, and experts predict ISIS will linger on as an ideological threat for some time to come.
No. It was not inevitable.
 

Watchmen

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
What's "wow" is that Trump's presidency has been overall so bad his only real high points are rather minor and insignificant and there is such a lack of good he's done that his supporters claim he deserves credit for things he had nothing to do with.
See you in 2020.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
No. It was not inevitable.
By all accounts and considerations ISIS was defeated before Trump took office. By that time they had already lost significant portions of what they gained and the liberation of Mosul (what would symbolically represent the end of ISIS as a significant threat) was just around the corner and inevitable. Kurdish women broke their morale, they couldn't hide from US (and other countries, like Russia) air strikes, and the Iraqi army systematically swept them out as they marched through Iraq. By the time Trump came into the picture, ISIS was battered and broken and the issue of ISIS fighters returning home was realized around this time because ISIS was beginning to send them home because they would be generally ineffective in the long haul as their ethnicity/skin color basically would be a target on them once resistance arrived and worked to root out ISIS fighters.
The only thing Trump really did was waste a MOAB and make a really big hole in the ground. It didn't even kill that many of them.
See you in 2020.
I've made my predictions, and it largely revolves around whether or not Trump can get a wall. And with primaries just around the corner time is ticking. There is so much against historic trends that specific predictions are hard to make. Such as, can Trump survive the primaries given there is an inside opposition group? Will there be a Republican candidate run third party or a strong Libertarian candidate on the ballot (another Ross Perot would certainly shake things up)? Other than that, all I'm willing to predict is Trump and Trump alone can make this very easy or difficult for Democrats, assuming he survives the primaries. I wouldn't be surprised if Pence ends up running against him as a strong Conservative candidate who won't falter on the issues.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Mueller isn't the only one investigating Trump. And if the Dems impeach Trump it will be embarrassingly futile because the Reps, very predictably so, will not vote to remove him from office.

After two years of uproar started with a phony
"dossier" funded by who?
And they finally come out with that there
was nothing there...

So you automatically assume he is in fact guilty
of high crimes and misdemeanors, and that the
whole pack of republicans are no better?

Sheesh, what an unfortunate attitude!
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Making progress isn’t the same as eliminating. Are you incapable of giving Trump positive credit for anything?
It's difficult to get an anti-Trumper to admit anything positive about Trump's record.
To admit that he isn't 100% evil would mean backing off on years of claiming that
he's the next Hitler. Such would be a loss of face.
This points out the danger of loving or hating a politician.
One loses all objectivity....not even able to recognize the First Step Act as positive.
 

Bob the Unbeliever

Well-Known Member
It's difficult to get an anti-Trumper to admit anything positive about Trump's record.
To admit that he isn't 100% evil would mean backing off on years of claiming that
he's the next Hitler. Such would be a loss of face.
This points out the danger of loving or hating a politician.
One loses all objectivity....not even able to recognize the First Step Act as positive.

Well, here's one positive: tЯump did not use nukes on countries he hated-- which is pretty much all of them, except for the dictatorial ones. He threatened to, but like 100% of tЯump's "promises" it was empty.

Another positive: tЯump's bad behavior has wrecked the GOP, possibly for decades to come. Which is Good, it needed wrecking.

Another positive: tЯump is so horrific and inept? His moral turpitude has galvanized many young people to Pay Attention. Which is good. What will those people do in the future? Who knows?

Back in Kennedy's day, such things led to the Apollo program.
 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
What apologies do you think are due and why?

Fusion GPS, the DNC, the Washington Free Beacon, the Media, and anybody else who funded or published the fake news of the Trump-Russia dossier degrading Trump's character and wrongly accusing him of being vulnerable to Russian blackmail should admit their wrongdoing of these false accusations towards Donald J. Trump. and they should apologize to Trump for having taken this fake news seriously and they should apologize to Donald J. Trump as well as to his family for having spread this fake news in an attempt to derail Donald J. Trump's Presidential bid and integrity.

Trump–Russia dossier - Wikipedia
 
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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Well, here's one positive: tЯump did not use nukes on countries he hated-- which is pretty much all of them, except for the dictatorial ones. He threatened to, but like 100% of tЯump's "promises" it was empty.

Another positive: tЯump's bad behavior has wrecked the GOP, possibly for decades to come. Which is Good, it needed wrecking.

Another positive: tЯump is so horrific and inept? His moral turpitude has galvanized many young people to Pay Attention. Which is good. What will those people do in the future? Who knows?

Back in Kennedy's day, such things led to the Apollo program.
QED.
 

Bob the Unbeliever

Well-Known Member
Fusion GPS, the DNC, the Washington Free Beacon, the Media, and anybody else who funded or published the fake news of the Trump-Russia dossier degrading Trump's character and wrongly accusing him of being vulnerable to Russian blackmail should admit their wrongdoing of these false accusations towards Donald J. Trump. and they should apologize to Trump for having taken this fake news seriously and they should apologize to Donald J. Trump as well as to his family for having spread this fake news in an attempt to derail Donald J. Trump's Presidential bid and integrity.

Trump–Russia dossier - Wikipedia

Nope. We know tЯump borrowed Russian mafia monies to fund his many Real Estate boondoggles. This is fact, and is easy to get to, too-- this is because he is so bad at being a "businessman" that no credible bank or investment firms would give him a plug-nickle.

He had to go to shady and foreign sources for his Real Estate boondoggles. All of which were dismal failures, of course-- hence the ever increasing number of Bankruptcies.

The truth about all of that, most likely, is that the Russians were money-laundering drug monies through a gullible and very stupid tЯump. He has demonstrated his gullibility countless times over, pretty much every time he opens his pie-hole, or thumbs out yet another failed tweet.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Considering presidential records, rather than feelings about his
awful conduct, Trump will (so far) stack up well enuf against Obama,
& better than Dubya. But note the "so far". Things could change.
By some of the usual measures, perhaps, but let me ask you something that isn't so easily quantified: will the US be "a better nation" by some of the social measures that we read of, like the "World Happiness Report?" Will it be a more socially cohesive nation? Will it get along better with other nations, or will there more and more conflict -- which as everyone knows is expensive, even it can generate economic activity, especially if you get into an armed tussle?
 
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