Trumps off the hook

[esmith]

And we have the same type of performances after Robert Mueller has closed his long and contentious Russia investigation with no new charges; poor little Dem's

 

[UpperLimits]

Ad we have a repeat performance after Robert Mueller has closed his long and contentious Russia investigation with no new charges; poor little Dem's

That video still cracks me up. What a ham! I just love the part where she looks to make sure the camera's running....

 

[Shadow Wolf]

New Any we have a repeat after Robert Mueller has closed his long and contentious Russia investigation with no new charges; poor little Dem's

It's actually poor everyone who thought Mueller was tasked with going after Trump. This includes massive swathes of Republicans and Democrats who never bothered to research what Mueller was actually tasked with investigating. It's also poor Republicans who insisted the entire time there was nothing going on but it was indeed discovered things were going on, people were arrested, and guilty charges were rendered. And probably (not really) poor Trump, because there are indications the end of Mueller's investigation will only be the beginning of this chapter of legal problems for Trump.
And, seriously, you don't think we can find equally ludicrous reactions from Republicans and Conservatives? Here's a "two for one" of Conservatives having very dumb reactions.

 

[Subduction Zone]

And we have the same type of performances after Robert Mueller has closed his long and contentious Russia investigation with no new charges; poor little Dem's

Some people do not understand what Mueller was supposed to do. Even if there is a "smoking gun" in the report he could not have indicted Trump. People need to read the Constitution. The only ones that I thought might be added were some of the Trump offspring and mates. Once again Trump not being indicted now does not mean that he will not be indicted once out of office.

 

[Watchmen]

No, it didn't, and that nonsense has been thoroughly debunked.

False

 

[Watchmen]

Prison reform that even supporters are saying isn't going far enough.

Trump had nothing to do with it, they were militarily defeated before he became president, they still aren't eradicated (and handling their fighters who return home is going to be another issue), and it's been mostly Middle Easterners such as the Kurds and Iraqis who have been doing most of the fighting against ISIS.

If this is a strong economy, the economy under Clinton must have been titanically epic.

So much denial.

Prison reform was bipartisan and celebrated.

Trump did in fact unleash the military on ISIS. Under Obama it was just a lot of hand wringing.

Clinton economy was great. Doesn’t mean economy isn’t strong now.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Prison reform was bipartisan and celebrated.

And yet still many pointed out it won't really make much of a difference and it just isn't going far enough.

Trump did in fact unleash the military on ISIS. Under Obama it was just a lot of hand wringing.

Obama did take action against ISIS, and there wasn't much of their pseudo-state left by the time Trump came into office. The facts are Trump had nothing to do with their downfall, which was already underway and inevitable when he took office. And overall America helped tremendously by lending assistance through air strikes, but we can't take much credit for defeating ISIS because we did not put in the same level of effort or sacrifice as those groups who did make up the bulk majority of those fighting against ISIS. The Iraq military deserves far more credit than any American. The Kurds deserve far more credit than any American. Trump deserves about as much credit as Turkey when it comes to dealing with ISIS.

Clinton economy was great. Doesn’t mean economy isn’t strong now.

We clearly have different definitions of strong. Gen X struggles to catch a break and do as well as their parents, it looks like Millennials don't stand a chance, and it's doubtful the iGen will themselves achieve the same economic status Boomers did (largely because we are being so slow to update our economy to match a new age of new technology). The middle class still isn't very strong. Upward mobility is still not as viable in America as it is in other countries. College students still drown in debt. Wages are stagnant and buying power is down.

 

[Watchmen]

And yet still many pointed out it won't really make much of a difference and it just isn't going far enough.

Obama did take action against ISIS, and there wasn't much of their pseudo-state left by the time Trump came into office. The facts are Trump had nothing to do with their downfall, which was already underway and inevitable when he took office. And overall America helped tremendously by lending assistance through air strikes, but we can't take much credit for defeating ISIS because we did not put in the same level of effort or sacrifice as those groups who did make up the bulk majority of those fighting against ISIS. The Iraq military deserves far more credit than any American. The Kurds deserve far more credit than any American. Trump deserves about as much credit as Turkey when it comes to dealing with ISIS.

We clearly have different definitions of strong. Gen X struggles to catch a break and do as well as their parents, it looks like Millennials don't stand a chance, and it's doubtful the iGen will themselves achieve the same economic status Boomers did (largely because we are being so slow to update our economy to match a new age of new technology).

And yet prison reform was bipartisan and celebrated. There will always be those who want it to go farther and others who think Trump went too far.

Trump had everything to do with ISIS.

Your view of the economy is out of touch. Lowest unemployment in decades, including for minorities. Increased wages. Less taxes. Businesses are finally innovating again. Paid leave on its way.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

False

Sure about that?
AP fact check: Obama didn't have a family separation policy

President Donald Trump is falsely asserting that the federal policy that split migrant families at the border was practiced by his predecessor, Barack Obama, as well.
The Obama and Trump administrations operated under the same immigration laws but the “zero tolerance” policy that drove children from their parents was Trump’s.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ily-separation-policy/?utm_term=.ab763d74937a

It’s not the first time Trump tries to minimize the scope of his family separations at the border by claiming that President Barack Obama had the same policy. This claim and its variations have been roundly debunked.

Trump falsely claims family separations were Obama policy

Despite President Donald Trump’s repeated claims that the Obama administration separated immigrant children from their parents at the border the same way the Trump administration did, the facts remain unchanged: that’s not true.

Family separations under the Obama administration did happen, but immigration experts say they were relatively rare; under Trump’s administration they were the systematic result of a policy to prosecute all immigrants who crossed illegally into the United States.

Did the Obama Administration Separate Families? - FactCheck.org

In defending its “zero tolerance” border policy that has caused the separation of families, the Trump administration has argued that the Obama and Bush administrations did this too. That’s misleading. Experts say there were some separations under previous administrations, but no blanket policy to prosecute parents and, therefore, separate them from their children.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Trump had everything to do with ISIS.

You're clearly in denial because the timelines of ISIS' decline and Trump becoming president do not match.

 

[Watchmen]

Sure about that?
AP fact check: Obama didn't have a family separation policy

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ily-separation-policy/?utm_term=.ab763d74937a

Trump falsely claims family separations were Obama policy

Did the Obama Administration Separate Families? - FactCheck.org

Oh. My mistake. Obama’s crew actually turned the children over to traffickers.

 

[Watchmen]

You're clearly in denial because the timelines of ISIS' decline and Trump becoming president do not match.

Wrong.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Wrong.

Sure about that? Here is an article about ISIS being in decline that is dated just two days after Trump took office, and it cites major victories against ISIS in 2014 and 2015, when Obama was still in office.
Eclipse of the caliphate: Is ISIS on the decline?
And if you bother to read the article, the Kurds did far more than Obama and Trump combined.

 

[Watchmen]

Sure about that? Here is an article about ISIS being in decline that is dated just two days after Trump took office, and it cites major victories against ISIS in 2014 and 2015, when Obama was still in office.
Eclipse of the caliphate: Is ISIS on the decline?
And if you bother to read the article, the Kurds did far more than Obama and Trump combined.

Making progress isn’t the same as eliminating. Are you incapable of giving Trump positive credit for anything?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Making progress isn’t the same as eliminating. Are you incapable of giving Trump positive credit for anything?

ISIS hasn't been eliminated, and their status as a militarized pseudo-state was ended before Trump came into office.
And I won't give Trump credit over this because he deserves none. By the time he came into office, there was nothing left to do that finish cleaning up the mess (which still hasn't been entirely cleaned up). America deserves credit for the assistance it lent (and it is greatly appreciated by many over there with many claiming it as having added a decisive factor in their war to liberate ISIS controlled territory), but the Kurds and Iraqi military did most of the work. Not Uncle Sam, not Obama, and not Mr. Tiny-dick-gotta-over-compensate-with-a-MOAB (pretty much all reports from the ground said it did little to hinder ISIS).

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Ugh. Thank goodness exposure to smug isn't fattening.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Are you incapable of giving Trump positive credit for anything?

When he takes the initiative and does something good that gets results. Prison reform could have been great, but it's a shared responsibility, and a shared failure for only just barely addressing the issue. The credit here is basically doing something that will achieve very little. So, basically, very little credit given.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

ISIS hasn't been eliminated, and their status as a militarized pseudo-state was ended before Trump came into office.
And I won't give Trump credit over this because he deserves none. By the time he came into office, there was nothing left to do that finish cleaning up the mess (which still hasn't been entirely cleaned up). America deserves credit for the assistance it lent (and it is greatly appreciated by many over there with many claiming it as having added a decisive factor in their war to liberate ISIS controlled territory), but the Kurds and Iraqi military did most of the work. Not Uncle Sam, not Obama, and not Mr. Tiny-dick-gotta-over-compensate-with-a-MOAB (pretty much all reports from the ground said it did little to hinder ISIS).

I'm happy to give credit where it's due. I find it telling that Trump and the Trumpettes are so desperate to claim credit for things either not done, or done by someone else.

Trump and his administration are responsible for a couple of minor prison reforms, some improvement in funding and allowance of drug and medical trials, and the mooting of a necessary space command. Those few things I'm happy to give credit for. Those few areas are hardly counterbalance for the egregious failures and mismanagements in other areas.

 

[Watchmen]

ISIS hasn't been eliminated, and their status as a militarized pseudo-state was ended before Trump came into office.
And I won't give Trump credit over this because he deserves none. By the time he came into office, there was nothing left to do that finish cleaning up the mess (which still hasn't been entirely cleaned up). America deserves credit for the assistance it lent (and it is greatly appreciated by many over there with many claiming it as having added a decisive factor in their war to liberate ISIS controlled territory), but the Kurds and Iraqi military did most of the work. Not Uncle Sam, not Obama, and not Mr. Tiny-dick-gotta-over-compensate-with-a-MOAB (pretty much all reports from the ground said it did little to hinder ISIS).

They were all over Syria when he came in. As of last night, they’re not.

 

[Watchmen]

When he takes the initiative and does something good that gets results. Prison reform could have been great, but it's a shared responsibility, and a shared failure for only just barely addressing the issue. The credit here is basically doing something that will achieve very little. So, basically, very little credit given.

Wow.