ecco
Veteran Member
Which media? Not the MSM. You must be referring to OAN and QAnon and FaceBook which I do not consider "media".Through the media, which he knows how to munipulate.
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Trump loses Arizona
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Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
Including MSM. Everytime he does something controversial, it makes the rounds with different biased takes, which widens the divisions between his supporters and opponents. This advertises for him, solidifies his base who LOVES his antics, and draws more folks in who get sick of "the establishment" (ignoring that a profiteering shyster can be worse than an establishment puppet).
And I really think he knows this. He is certainly benefiting from it.
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Okay, but what about the 78% of Republicans who still -- today -- think that Trump actually won and the election was stolen from him?
I do not find, quite frankly, that I can look all of them squarely in the eye and say "you're not an idiot." I'd probably die in spasms of hysterical laughter.
Oh, yes, he's benefitting from it. And he is very truly putting the nation's democracy at risk. A majority of Republicans actually appear to believe, at his urging, that an election can be overturned for partisan political reasons.
And if that were possible, you do not have a democracy.
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
Right!
Allegations of election fraud without proof and getting away with it means any political figure can do the same thing, throwing Democracy into a deathspin.
What about them?
I didn't praise Trump, as the other poster falsely claimed.
As for your post, people who aren't idiots believe in many
things I find ridiculous, eg, God, Allah, socialism, the MIC
conspiracy, engines that burn water. AOC as a great leader.
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There are things that can pretty much only be taken on faith -- certainly including religion, and often enough political and economic ideologies can be beastly hard to prove. (In fact, are often proved wrong.)
On the other hand, when the stakes are high and there is good information available, I think it is wise to at least make the effort to find out. Before my lumbar laminectomy, I did the hard work of learning everything I could about what I could expect, what the risks were, what the possible benefits were, and so on. And then I signed the consent form -- to my lasting joy.
When my partner came down with Guillain-Barre Syndrome and spent 8 months in hospital (and still has a lot of difficulty 4 years later), I found every source I could to help me understand the treatments and what I could do to be the most help (or perhaps the least detriment).
To believe -- in the face of the mountain range of evidence to the contrary -- that Donald Trump won the election, or that Covid-19 vaccines will make you magnetic or inject nanobots into your body, strikes me as just being silly. I'm sorry, but there it is.
Beliefs in gods & the paranormal strike me as ridiculous.
There are always bias confirming facts & factoids to support
those & other loopy beliefs about Trump & vaccines. They
strike me as all pretty much the same thing.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Sorry to hear that. One of my wife's cousins just got diagnosed with having it just last week. She could barely move and has no feelings throughout most of her body, but has improved slightly.
Joseph came down with a very severe case. Most often, GBS attacks the myelin sheath of motor neurons, but in his case, it attacked the axons of those neurons themselves. He went from feeling a little numb walking into hospital emergency on Sunday, to totally paralyzed from the neck down by Tuesday morning. It's called "Acute Motor Axonal Neuropathy." During his 8 1/2 months in hospital, he spend almost 2 weeks in ICU -- even had surgery in ICU to directly insert a feeding tube through his side into his stomach, because he lost the ability to swallow. It's called percutaneous endoscopic gastrostomy (PEG).
It was a terrible time. And now, 5 years later, though he's almost 61 and I'm 73, guess who is responsible for all housework of every kind -- go ahead, guess.
I imagine that your wife's cousin, because she's improving already, contracted acute inflammatory demyelinating polyradiculoneuropathy, which predominantly affects the myelin. The commonest form in America and Europe. Even still -- it is a life event, trust me.
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metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Again, I'm so sorry to read the above, and my heart is with you both. And thanks so much for the info.
ecco
Veteran Member
So, what's your suggestion, that the MSM ignore him when he rallies the troops and lies about the results of the Arizona "recount"?
It's not a good idea to ignore despots or their supporters.
If the MSM reporting on the malfeasance of a despot widens the gap between his supporters and rational people, then that is a good thing. Rational people need to be shown the damage caused by him and his supporters. Case in point being the continuation of COVID in this country due to the political/religious ignorance and actions of the no-vaxxers.
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
I don't really have a suggestion. The new has to report the news, and other media are going to do their thing. And shysters will continue to take advantage of it.
I do think it's important to not underestimate people like Trump just because their antics are so ridiculously dumb. Being ignorant when it comes to sound leadership doesn't mean they aren't clever in taking advantage of some situations.
ecco
Veteran Member
So, we are in agreement.
Ponder This
Well-Known Member
According to the link... 17,000 duplicate ballot envelope images were found!
I also agree on two additional points made in the politifact link:
1. Fraud was not proven.
2. It was not shown that Trump won the Arizona election.
These are important facts, because people may have the false idea that the audit proves that Trump won... yeah that's not a thing. I know Trump claims he won, but the audit doesn't "prove" that he did win Arizona (or disprove it). The election doesn't need to be decertified and people do not "need" to be prosecuted (as the Facebook post opines).2. It was not shown that Trump won the Arizona election.
It appears that the cause for the misleading title of the Politifact fact check is because they were fact checking a Facebook post,
because of Politifact's partnership with Facebook.This all simply demonstrates the importance of using critical reading skills, even when reading factcheckers such as Politifact!
Thank you for a wonderful post and I hope that we all agree on the facts!