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I think an EO is only valid during that particular presidency and can by the stroke of a pen be as easily dismissed by the next president. That was the first thing Trump did was to wipe out all of Obama's EO's as George W did with Clinton etc.
I don't worry about desires to do something doomed to fail.I do my best to avoid political discussions like one would avoid the plague. I also suspect this thread will degrade into political arguing based on party affiliation and if you are or are not a Trump supporter.
I am not taking a political side here and as for Trump, that is not the issue that is making me nervous.
It is this that has me concerned. And it is not because it is Trump and it is not that Trump is going to try and do it nor what he is trying to do as it applies to immigrants and birthrights
Trump eyeing executive order to end birthright citizenship, a move most legal experts say runs afoul of the Constitution
Think about this for a second, with you politically shaded glasses off.
If a sitting president, regardless of party affiliation, can get rid of an amendment to the constitution with an executive order then which one of the Amendments is next on the chopping block simply because the President does not think it is right or his political party wants him to eliminate that amendment.....Guns become illegal, slavery is back, unreasonable search and seizure, right to a fair trial, excessive fines and cruelty ok...all by executive order. I realize they do not pay as much attention to the Constitution as they should in good ole Washington DC (on both sides of the political coin) but to be able to negate an amendment to the Constitution...all with an executive order from the President...that makes me nervous and could potentially take this country places we simply do not want to go.
Now to wait and see if it is actually legal for him to do it
A list of amendments of the Constitution just think with the stroke of a pen, from 1 man or woman....they could be gone... that I hope, is not possible
But if that executive order could take out the 22nd amendment.....
It is this that has me concerned. And it is not because it is Trump and it is not that Trump is going to try and do it nor what he is trying to do as it applies to immigrants and birthrights
Trump eyeing executive order to end birthright citizenship, a move most legal experts say runs afoul of the Constitution
If a sitting president, regardless of party affiliation, can get rid of an amendment to the constitution with an executive order then which one of the Amendments is next on the chopping block simply because the President does not think it is right or his political party wants him to eliminate that amendment.....Guns become illegal, slavery is back, unreasonable search and seizure, right to a fair trial, excessive fines and cruelty ok...all by executive order. I realize they do not pay as much attention to the Constitution as they should in good ole Washington DC (on both sides of the political coin) but to be able to negate an amendment to the Constitution...all with an executive order from the President...that makes me nervous and could potentially take this country places we simply do not want to go.
Now to wait and see if it is actually legal for him to do it
A list of amendments of the Constitution
just think with the stroke of a pen, from 1 man or woman....they could be gone... that I hope, is not possible
Noooo. It cant happen here.Worries me, too. But I don't think this will actually happen.
Come on , it's fun getting the plague. It's what makes RF an exciting place like the old west where you had those Saloon brawls where the guy gets thrown out the window! *Grin*I do my best to avoid political discussions like one would avoid the plague. I also suspect this thread will degrade into political arguing based on party affiliation and if you are or are not a Trump supporter.
I am not taking a political side here and as for Trump, that is not the issue that is making me nervous.
It is this that has me concerned. And it is not because it is Trump and it is not that Trump is going to try and do it nor what he is trying to do as it applies to immigrants and birthrights
Trump eyeing executive order to end birthright citizenship, a move most legal experts say runs afoul of the Constitution
Think about this for a second, with you politically shaded glasses off.
If a sitting president, regardless of party affiliation, can get rid of an amendment to the constitution with an executive order then which one of the Amendments is next on the chopping block simply because the President does not think it is right or his political party wants him to eliminate that amendment.....Guns become illegal, slavery is back, unreasonable search and seizure, right to a fair trial, excessive fines and cruelty ok...all by executive order. I realize they do not pay as much attention to the Constitution as they should in good ole Washington DC (on both sides of the political coin) but to be able to negate an amendment to the Constitution...all with an executive order from the President...that makes me nervous and could potentially take this country places we simply do not want to go.
Now to wait and see if it is actually legal for him to do it
A list of amendments of the Constitution just think with the stroke of a pen, from 1 man or woman....they could be gone... that I hope, is not possible
I find it very difficult to see how this could happen. The President is sworn to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States, and that Constitution has embedded in it the means whereby it can be amended...and that process definitely does not include "by executive order."I do my best to avoid political discussions like one would avoid the plague. I also suspect this thread will degrade into political arguing based on party affiliation and if you are or are not a Trump supporter.
I am not taking a political side here and as for Trump, that is not the issue that is making me nervous.
It is this that has me concerned. And it is not because it is Trump and it is not that Trump is going to try and do it nor what he is trying to do as it applies to immigrants and birthrights
Trump eyeing executive order to end birthright citizenship, a move most legal experts say runs afoul of the Constitution
Think about this for a second, with you politically shaded glasses off.
If a sitting president, regardless of party affiliation, can get rid of an amendment to the constitution with an executive order then which one of the Amendments is next on the chopping block simply because the President does not think it is right or his political party wants him to eliminate that amendment.....Guns become illegal, slavery is back, unreasonable search and seizure, right to a fair trial, excessive fines and cruelty ok...all by executive order. I realize they do not pay as much attention to the Constitution as they should in good ole Washington DC (on both sides of the political coin) but to be able to negate an amendment to the Constitution...all with an executive order from the President...that makes me nervous and could potentially take this country places we simply do not want to go.
Now to wait and see if it is actually legal for him to do it
A list of amendments of the Constitution just think with the stroke of a pen, from 1 man or woman....they could be gone... that I hope, is not possible
Exactly.Anchor babies are definitely a problem but a solution certainly wouldn't be circumventing or altering the Constitution in respect to people born here.
He is using an interpretation which has existed for centuries and one that has withstood legal challenges.
What exactly do you think the legal argument is, and what legal challenges do you think it has withstood?
Are you referring to the dissent in United States v. Wong Kim Ark?
Well for any change to the Constitution there would need to be a constitutional convention. That would be huge news should it ever come to the table.But if that executive order could take out the 22nd amendment.....and what if the folks covered by the 15th and 19th Amendment were a threat to re-election.... Executive Order...those are gone too.
I do realize this is a worst case scenario and I suspect they will find that he cannot legally get rid of Amendments by Executive order...but if he can...from here on out and for Every President to follow...we are in trouble...and the Constitution would be just another old useless piece of paper
An EO can not repeal law nor SCOTUS ruling. The EO is challenging an interpretation of 14A via the executive branch which controls immigration. Ergo Trump is simply ordering immigration department to follow his interpretation (it is not really his but arguments used for over a century some which are completely legal). This of course will cause a legal battle which hopefully resolves the issue of illegal immigrant anchor babies.
This is all spin based on a misinterpretation of 14A and ignorance of existing precedents. He can not change 14A. He is using an interpretation which has existed for centuries and one that has withstood legal challenges. Hysteria has run away with your mind.
There will be a legal battle no doubt.
More spin based on your hysteria and lack of knowledge. Birth right was never a thing until the 60s as it is treated now. Prior Native Americans were not citizens due to being a member of a tribe. It took an act of Congress to make them citizens which was passed in 24 I think.
But you do look agitated, Choppy.I'm actually not hysterical at all
I'm actually not hysterical at all
I do not mean freaking out hysterical but letting your emotions run wild thus the spin created regarding the EO. The very idea an EO can override 14A itself is nonsense and not the intention of the EO. That is the spin you created or swallowed from the article The EO covers an interpretation being used as policy under the executive branch which control immigration.
But you do look agitated, Choppy.
Not all that emotional either....mostly concerned...but still ultimately doubting the it could be done with an EO, but not 100% positive...the rest was hypothetical speculation, if it were possible...... not loosing sleep over it.