There is no Sin...

[Secret Chief]

we have to be cruel too

Could you elaborate?

 

[Secret Chief]

have a will to power.

A fan of Nietzsche then

 

[PureX]

You can't eliminate language by throwing away your dictionary and you can't eliminate sin by throwing away your gods. You're just not big enough.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

You can't eliminate language by throwing way your dictionary and you can't eliminate sin by throwing away your gods. You're just not big enough.

Perhaps YOU can't free yourself of those shackles, but like many others, I jettisoned that straitjacket long ago. The word sin is merely people telling other people what they can and cannot do using the devise of a deity to speak through to silence critics, calling them impious or sinner. Once one understands that, he can free himself by shedding religion.

Many theists don't seem to like that, referring to such liberation as trying to be a god oneself, or being openly rebellious, or being morally decadent hedonists. You seem to object, apparently trying to explain that there is no escape from that kind of bondage. But there is. One need only use the senses and reasoning faculty that Mother Nature gifts us and set himself free.

From Pat Condell:

"It must be quite galling for religious people to see atheists like me going about their business without a shred of guilt or self-loathing, and not in the least inclined to pray or to do penance of any kind, and not in the slightest bit worried about any form of eternal punishment. I have to admit if I were religious, I'd probably think to myself: "How come I've got all this weight on my shoulders while these bums are getting a free ride?"

 

[spiritual5142]

A fan of Nietzsche then

Exactly

Could you elaborate?

I mean people around us should know that we are not soft and we are capable of being cruel against them or else we will be chosen as victims just as in nature weak animals are eliminated.This is passive defense. Also we have to be willing to disregard others in order to gain power. This is proactive defense because by gaining money and power we gain leverage on our future enemies.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Exactly



I mean people around us should know that we are not soft and we are capable of being cruel against them or else we will be chosen as victims just as in nature weak animals are eliminated.This is passive defense. Also we have to be willing to disregard others in order to gain power. This is proactive defense because by gaining money and power we gain leverage on our future enemies.

Well, you do what you do. But please stop claiming a "we". I am not a part of your "we".

 

[PureX]

Perhaps YOU can't free yourself of those shackles, but like many others, I jettisoned that straitjacket long ago. The word sin is merely people telling other people what they can and cannot do using the devise of a deity to speak through to silence critics, calling them impious or sinner. Once one understands that, he can free himself by shedding religion.

Many theists don't seem to like that, referring to such liberation as trying to be a god oneself, or being openly rebellious, or being morally decadent hedonists. You seem to object, apparently trying to explain that there is no escape from that kind of bondage. But there is. One need only use the senses and reasoning faculty that Mother Nature gifts us and set himself free.

From Pat Condell:

"It must be quite galling for religious people to see atheists like me going about their business without a shred of guilt or self-loathing, and not in the least inclined to pray or to do penance of any kind, and not in the slightest bit worried about any form of eternal punishment. I have to admit if I were religious, I'd probably think to myself: "How come I've got all this weight on my shoulders while these bums are getting a free ride?"

Throwing away wisdom, discernment, and self-awareness doesn't make us free, it just makes us stupid.

 

[Mark Charles Compton]

"In the Bible, the word sin – whether it is in the Hebrew or the Greek – actually means to miss the mark."
Reference: What Exactly Is Sin?

Definition of SIN

sin

While there's definitely a strong religious connotation within its meaning, it is used within other contexts.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Outside of religion.

If sin is breaking or disobeying God's rules. Then it depends on what God you follow as different Gods have different rules for their followers. Whereas one action maybe a sin for the follower of one God. It may not be a sin for one who follows a different God.

One cannot "sin" if the action is not breaking the rules of the God they follow.

So to be sinless, free of sin, one must simply not follow any God.

Mission accomplished.

Not that a fake imaginary aliment/condition was really anything of substance to begin with.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

Throwing away wisdom, discernment, and self-awareness doesn't make us free, it just makes us stupid.

Really? Let me falsify your claim right off the bat: Jettisoning religious dogma freed me from it. It's been about forty years now. I think I'm ready to make my judgment on which path led to wisdom, discernment, and self-awareness. That's when I realized that there was no such thing as sin. How's that for discernment? And so I dropped religion. How's that for wisdom. And now I understand that I'm not a sinner. How's that for self-awareness.

Are you sure that you know what constitutes any of those three? You seem to be recommending belief by faith. For me, it's faith-based thought that defeats all three of them and enslaves us in dogma. I've been collecting these memes on a Word doc for a few months, sorting them by subject. Here are a few that might be considered apt here, and gives us an alternative perspective on what is actually stupid:

 

[spiritual5142]

Well, you do what you do. But please stop claiming a "we". I am not a part of your "we".

Well thats the best i can do in english just let it go

 

[Fool]

Outside of religion.

If sin is breaking or disobeying God's rules. Then it depends on what God you follow as different Gods have different rules for their followers. Whereas one action maybe a sin for the follower of one God. It may not be a sin for one who follows a different God.

One cannot "sin" if the action is not breaking the rules of the God they follow.

So to be sinless, free of sin, one must simply not follow any God.

untrue. it's a word that simply means fault.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Well thats the best i can do in english just let it go

Try I; some people; not all and so on.

 

[Mark Charles Compton]

Try I; some people; not all and so on.

Logically speaking, if you gain a thing someone else cannot gain that thing and therefore miss out on it.

Example; If you are hired for a job position, another person that could have used that job will be missing out. If you do not disregard that individual, you will quit the job so that they can hire in.

Circumstances of a finite existence.

 

[muhammad_isa]

For me, it's faith-based thought that defeats all three of them and enslaves us in dogma..

No .. you don't have to be "enslaved" by any dogma that you don't agree with.
Belief in God is a personal thing.

 

[Mark Charles Compton]

untrue. it's a word that simply means fault.

Agreed.

I think it's a sin to waste food.

I think it's a sin when a parent has to suffer through the torment of burying their own child.

I think it's a sin to make seven figures in profit annually, and not feed and shelter the needy children of the world.

I also think that none of what I have said in this comment was referring to a deity's punishment or religious doctrine. I'm using the word in the same fashion one could use the word 'shame'.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

No .. you don't have to be "enslaved" by any dogma that you don't agree with.
Belief in God is a personal thing.

Well, except when it is not.

 

[PureX]

Mission accomplished.

Not that a fake imaginary aliment/condition was really anything of substance to begin with.

If that's all you thought it was.

 

[Vinayaka]

Outside of religion.

If sin is breaking or disobeying God's rules. Then it depends on what God you follow as different Gods have different rules for their followers. Whereas one action maybe a sin for the follower of one God. It may not be a sin for one who follows a different God.

One cannot "sin" if the action is not breaking the rules of the God they follow.

So to be sinless, free of sin, one must simply not follow any God.

Or be in a religion where sin isn't a concept.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

"There is no Sin ..."

Therefore? Seriously, what is the point of this thread?