Sheldon
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Circular reasoning fallacy seriously can you not spot these yet before you make them?I believe in God because I believe there is evidence for God.
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Circular reasoning fallacy seriously can you not spot these yet before you make them?I believe in God because I believe there is evidence for God.
What you lack to be able to "see" God is faith. Religious/spiritual practice is only based on faith until spiritual wisdom b3gin to rise within the person.
As an atheist, you lack that and can not find God
Just because you can not see God does not mean God does not exist.
Btw about Unicorns...yes I believe they might exist, but not nessesary in this dimension we live in.
Other places unknown to humans may exist
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Do you know what the law of non contradiction is? You just violated it in a single sentence, which means that sentence is irrational by definition. It's hard to believe anyone can't see a contradiction that obvious mind, so I may be falling for an elaborate windup?Other places unknown to humans may exist
I have wanted to say this for so long....do you know how much poop you are able to get in to your answers in RF? Your attempt on " False clames toward theists" are pathetic. Honestly you haven't got a single clue about what faith is...Well there you go, that's how easy it is to create a meaningless unfalsifiable idea. It's also a straw man fallacy of course, since I never remotely claimed this.
Well you can believe they are made of icing sugar if it makes you happy, but I'm not sure the ludicrously low bar you seem to have for belief is a compelling argument for your beliefs, quite the opposite in fact.
Do you know what the law of non contradiction is? You just violated it in a single sentence, which means that sentence is irrational by definition. It's hard to believe anyone can't see a contradiction that obvious mind, so I may be falling for an elaborate windup?
Oh what the Hell, I'll bite, if this is unknown to humans. and you (one assumes?) are human, you can't rationally make any claims about it.
Choosing a normally good life is not inherently connected to the divine. That is simple intelligence. Choosing to live better than that is a divine choice.
When you choose to live at personal cost for the benefit of all, you are making a divine choice, not merely a human choice. You briefly ascend above mere human nature, and you show that there is something better than good. There is a level of goodness which we cannot normally achieve, because it is self destructive.
It is, for us, out of balance and not achievable -- what the ancients call heavenly, meaning it is beyond what we can achieve.
Let me try to explain that God is not god nor related to gods. gods are beings or forces that are related to the physical world in some way. God is not a god. God is conceptual. Christian NT says "God is spirit" which is the same thing I think, although what divides us from concept may only be that we are limited. We are bound to certain rules and exist under the conditions of physical existence. We have passions. God doesn't, and God doesn't share our limitations or our interests. My understanding is that the only area in which God overlaps with us is in the conceptual realm.
So it is unhealthy to try to prove God exists. This is backwards and leads to people mistaking God for a god. Then they don't even have the concept, so what is the point?
I have wanted to say this for so long....do you know how much poop you are able to get in to your answers in RF? Your attempt on " False clames toward theists" are pathetic. Honestly you haven't got a single clue about what faith is...
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Well, sure. If it is just a concept, then there is nothing to prove or support, because concepts only exist between our ears.
What you lack to be able to "see" God is faith
Religious/spiritual practice is only based on faith until spiritual wisdom b3gin to rise within the person.
As an atheist, you lack that and can not find God
It does not help him to be a master of fancy words if he have no clue about the topic, but only know how to look down on people who are different than him self.Well, if @Sheldon could sometimes back up some of his claims, we might get somewhere. But sometimes they come across as unevidenced dogma themselves.
To me how people claim some aspects of the everyday world has nothing to do with standard religion. But that is just me.
I have wanted to say this for so long....do you know how much poop you are able to get in to your answers in RF? Your attempt on " False clames toward theists" are pathetic. Honestly you haven't got a single clue about what faith is...
Well, yougiving the answer to your own claim of no God, in the sense that you dont even dare to look at the way spiritual teachings teach how to find God, so since you backing out even before you tried, you already lost the battle.Sure. With "faith" you can "see" anything. Including things that don't exist.
There is nothing that can't be believe on "faith".
I don't consider that to be a bad thing. Faith is not a virtue. Faith in that sense is just gullibility imo.
If that is the only way to "find god", then that god is indistinguishable from imagination.
Not only do I "lack" such faith - I actively and purposefully avoid it and stay away from it.
I don't consider such "faith" to be a good thing.
In fact, I could easily make a case to state that such "faith" is in fact immoral.
This "faith" is what con-men prey on.
I’ve been reading through a couple of threads, and I see that it is said that there is no evidence for a god, it’s an unfalsifiable idea. We all agree on this? If you don’t, care to explain the evidence there is for god?
I’m in agreement. I used to believe my personal experiences to be subjective evidence for god, but I know now that’s not the case. I am not a theist anymore because I recognize I was a Christian thanks almost completely to my environment. That’s why I believed. I was brought up in it. Wasn’t because of any proof or anything,
So, theists, why do you believe? Is it mainly because of your environment and geographical location? There is no proof for god (right?), so what logically keeps you believing? Or is logic not supposed to be a factor when it comes to faith? Is it too jarring, the idea of leaving the comfort that religion and belief in a god brings?
I am curious about personal evaluations on why you believe. It can’t be because of logic, as there is no proof of god, right?
You still dont understand that you must put away the "logic thinking" you learned by scienceWe have a much better idea that you are willing to acknowledge.
In fact, you have just explained what it is.
The simple summary is that it is what allows you to believe unfalsifiable claims and / or claims that aren't in evidence.
On that kind of "faith", there is NOTHING you can't believe.
It does not help him to be a master of fancy words if he have no clue about the topic, but only know how to look down on people who are different than him self.
Well, yougiving the answer to your own claim of no God
, in the sense that you dont even dare to look at the way spiritual teachings teach how to find God, so since you backing out even before you tried, you already lost the battle.
You still dont understand that you must put away the "logic thinking" you learned by science
It does not help him to be a master of fancy words if he have no clue about the topic, but only know how to look down on people who are different than him self.
Of course, we will each have our position. I see it this way, two doctors look at the same evidence but come up with two different diagnosis.I’ve been reading through a couple of threads, and I see that it is said that there is no evidence for a god, it’s an unfalsifiable idea. We all agree on this? If you don’t, care to explain the evidence there is for god?
I’m in agreement. I used to believe my personal experiences to be subjective evidence for god, but I know now that’s not the case. I am not a theist anymore because I recognize I was a Christian thanks almost completely to my environment. That’s why I believed. I was brought up in it. Wasn’t because of any proof or anything,
So, theists, why do you believe? Is it mainly because of your environment and geographical location? There is no proof for god (right?), so what logically keeps you believing? Or is logic not supposed to be a factor when it comes to faith? Is it too jarring, the idea of leaving the comfort that religion and belief in a god brings?
I am curious about personal evaluations on why you believe. It can’t be because of logic, as there is no proof of god, right?
Just to clerify i dont take anything you say personally. I gone past long time ago now.You, and theists in general I might add, tend to confuse "looking down on beliefs" with "looking down on people".
You take critcism of your beliefs as criticism on your person, because these beliefs are personal and emotional.
You would not consider criticism of, for example, theories of gravity that you accept, as an attack on your person, because those beliefs aren't personal or emotional. They aren't based on this personal notion of "faith". Instead, they are based on evidence.
I see this behavior all the time.
It's why in such debates, people like to throw around accusations of "ad hominin" while nothing of the sort is going on.