There is no evidence for God, so why do you believe?

[Polymath257]

How about the human body as relational art? Is there anything more beautiful than the human form? I'm sure you're familiar with the biblical reference that humans were created in God's image.

Sorry, that is decorational. I was saying there is no *representative* forms.

So, no pictures of humans on other canvases. No pictures of planets other places.

Humans even make pictures of the things they make: like pictures of buildings, or pictures of pots, etc.

All we see around us in the universe *except* in the human sphere, is decorational beauty. We have no representational art in nature.

Now, you almost did it with saying humans are a representation of God. But, given that this is also in the human sphere, it still fails.

Find any *representational* art: where one thing represents another thing.

It is common among intelligent species *humans), but absent in the universe at large.

 

[Spirit of Light]

You said in response to @Sheldon that he is "looking down on people". Not that he is looking down on "beliefs". That is pretty much making it personal.



Another thing theists tend to do is continually say that "we haven't looked into it" when we disagree.
As if it is the only option.

You are incorrect.

I did look into it. I formed my conclusions, which I share here.
The methodology is flawed. Faith is not a pathway to truth. On the type of "faith" YOU yourself are describing, one can believe literally anything. It's a methodology that inevitably ends up in believing falsehoods, because there is no mechanism to distinguish accurate claims from false claims.

It really is that simple.

The spiritual teaching is the guide to not get lost in the practice

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Spiritual practice does not always look "logic" to a newbee, so try to actually practice without thinking "I MUST LEARN THIS"

Practice what?
How, of not through reason and logic, do you distinguish "true spiritual practice" from "false spiritual practice"?

This is the point. Such method does not exist if you exclude reason and logic.
Reason and logic IS how you distinguish between true and false things.

 

[Polymath257]

Religion/spiritual faith is not based on physical proof, like science is

So what sort of proof is it based upon? How is it tested and verified? How is it shown to be wrong if a mistake is made?

 

[Polymath257]

The spiritual teaching is the guide to not get lost in the practice

Assuming the teacher knows enough themselves.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Practice what?
How, of not through reason and logic, do you distinguish "true spiritual practice" from "false spiritual practice"?

This is the point. Such method does not exist if you exclude reason and logic.
Reason and logic IS how you distinguish between true and false things.

You know what the spiritual teaching are in different religions, it is the now books with scriptures.

 

[Spirit of Light]

So what sort of proof is it based upon? How is it tested and verified? How is it shown to be wrong if a mistake is made?

Personal growth as a spiritual being.

 

[Polymath257]

Just because you can not see God does not mean God does not exist.

Vision isn't the only way to detect.

What reliable way is there to detect God? Or, if you make a mistake, how do you verify that you made a mistake?

Btw about Unicorns...yes I believe they might exist, but not nessesary in this dimension we live in. Other places unknown to humans may exist

That, to me, seems like evasion.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Assuming the teacher knows enough themselves.

Well with doubt in your mind, of course you will look at it like you say here.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I can not speak for other peoples awakening

Dodge.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Vision isn't the only way to detect.

What reliable way is there to detect God? Or, if you make a mistake, how do you verify that you made a mistake?



That, to me, seems like evasion.

The teaching tell what is the right way and the wrong way toward God, you know when you are on the wrong way, because of the teaching.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Dodge.

How can i speak for other peoples awakening? It is impossible, because non of us are alike

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

You know what the spiritual teaching are in different religions, it is the now books with scriptures.

That is not an answer to the question asked.

 

[ElishaElijah]

So it is a purely subjective experience? In that case, it is more likely that I am simply delusional, isn't it?



That was definitely a subjective experience. Now, how do you know it corresponded with reality?

What do you mean? Don’t know how much more reality you need. Don’t understand your question.
I hated my Dad, God showed me I hated him because he corrected me and called me out on it.
After I got saved, I wasn’t a scoffer anymore but the hatred was there and I didn’t know where it was coming from. After God showed me I could see that it was true and the Word of God broke through years of denial and justifying my hatred when it was really that. My Dad and I have a great relationship since.

 

[Polymath257]

That God exist, in spirit or in different form than what humans see as existence

So God exists, but not?

Again, what do you mean by the word 'exist'? What does it mean when you say something exists?

 

[Polymath257]

Personal growth as a spiritual being.

I don't even know how to make sense of that sentence.

Personal growth has to do with expanding horizons, opening up my mind, learning new ideas, etc.

A spiritual being might be able to *encourage* me to do those things. But that spiritual being is NOT THE SAME as those things.

 

[Polymath257]

How can i speak for other peoples awakening? It is impossible, because non of us are alike

Which means there is nothing in common? Which means it isn't *truth*, but opinion?

 

[Sheldon]

I have wanted to say this for so long....do you know how much poop you are able to get in to your answers in RF? Your attempt on " False clames toward theists" are pathetic. Honestly you haven't got a single clue about what faith is...

Well it's not surprising that having reasoned so poorly, you now resort to an irrational ad hominem fallacy. However thanks for the belly laugh, it's always pretty amusing when someone who quite demonstrably hasn't the vaguest idea of how irrational their arguments are, then resorts to insulting the reasoning of others, when it is pointed out.

If it makes you feel better to project in this way, then do crack on, it'll simply bead up and roll off me. I've had decades of theists resorting to such petty ad hominem, when they realise their faith is too fragile for debate after all.

 

[Spirit of Light]

That is not an answer to the question asked.

Spiritual practice is to end the attachments a person holds to this physical existence, one do that by practicing spiritual teachings.

 

[Sheldon]

only know how to look down on people who are different than him self.

do you know how much poop you are able to get in to your answers in RF? Your attempt on " False clames toward theists" are pathetic.