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The trinity of three scriptures destroys the myth of the Trinity:

Discussion in 'Biblical Debates' started by iris89, Dec 27, 2004.

  1. iris89

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    The trinity of three scriptures destroys the myth of the Trinity:

    The commonly believed myth or false doctrine of the Trinity brought into so called Christianity by the largest cult on earth that has permeated through so many groups because of the baggage carried by many who left/escaped this cult that could not for one reason or the other cut lose of the false doctrines of the cult have contaminated most of Christendom. However, the Bible truths from just three scriptures destroy it as follows:

    FIRST:

    John 1:1, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." (New English Translation; NEB)

    John 1:1, " In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." (American Standard Version; ASV)

    Neither mention in any way more than two beings, yet a trinity of anything requires three similar things.

    SECOND:

    John 1:2, "The Word, then, was with God at the beginning, "(New English Translation; NEB)

    John 1:2, "The same was in the beginning with God." (American Standard Version; ASV)

    Clearly states that the word, Jesus (Yeshua) was with God (YHWH) in the beginning, referring back to Genesis 1:1-2, "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 And the earth was waste and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep: and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters." (ASV) when he and his Son started to create the earth and all on it.

    THIRD:

    John 14:28, "Ye heard how I said to you, I go away, and I come unto you. If ye loved me, ye would have rejoiced, because I go unto the Father: for the Father is greater than I."

    Jesus (Yeshua) clearly stated, "for the Father is greater than I." Showing the Father (YHWH) was greater as we all know Jesus (Yeshua) would not lie.

    So we can NOW all see this myth is just that and actually just false doctrine baggage from the world's largest cult and those believing it are thoroughly deluded.

    The persons believing this myth post false hate literature against those exposing their 'pet' myth, so be ye not surprised at ones using this evil tactic.



    To learn more and get the facts which you should check with your own Bible in keeping with Acts 17:11, " Now these were more noble than those in Thessalonica, who received the word with all eagerness, daily searching the scriptures, whether these things were so." (Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible; DRCB).Trinity = Absurd God (YHWH) Dishonoring Doctrine:

    http://p078.ezboard.com/fyahwehstruthinchristfrm2.showMessage?topicID=58.topic

    and;

    Discourse on John 8:58:

    http://p078.ezboard.com/fyahwehstruthinchristfrm2.showMessage?topicID=83.topic

    and;

    Learn - Documentary on Our Savior Jesus (Yeshua):

    http://p078.ezboard.com/fyahwehstruthinchristfrm2.showMessage?topicID=74.topic

    and;

    When God's (YHWH's) Kingdom Starts Rulling:

    http://examining-doctrines.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=204

    and,

    Discourse on the Bible:

    http://forum.bismikaallahuma.org:/viewtopic.php?p=46520#46520

    and,

    Muslims Do Not Comprehend The Bible:

    http://forum.bismikaallahuma.org:/viewtopic.php?t=5096

    and,

    Let's Have Reality in Translation:

    http://examining-doctrines.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=207

    and,

    Discourse on the Whether Christ is Divine:

    http://examining-doctrines.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=190

    and,

    DISCOURSE ON THE MISCONCEPTION WITH RESPECT 'I AM'

    http://examining-doctrines.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=185

    And,

    Discourse On The Holy Spirit:

    http://examining-doctrines.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=184

    and,

    Discourse on Trinitarians Being Blinded to The Truth:

    http://examining-doctrines.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=178

    and,

    Rebuke To A Trinitarian, Trinity is God Dishonoring False Doctrine

    http://examining-doctrines.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=176

    and,

    Discourse On The Trinity of Reasons That Prove The Trinity a Myth:

    http://examining-doctrines.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=148

    and,

    Does the Apostle Thomas' exclamation at John 20:28 prove that Jesus is truly God (YHWH)?

    http://examining-doctrines.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=145

    And,

    Discourse on Jeremiah 23:5-6 and the Confusion on YHWH Tsidqenu and Its Equivalents:

    http://examining-doctrines.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=127

    And,

    Documentary on the Book of John Being Anti-Trinitarian-In Multiple Parts:

    http://examining-doctrines.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=97

    and;

    Trinity = Absurd to the Extreme:

    http://examining-doctrines.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=61

    Your Friend in Christ Iris89
     
  2. Lintu

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    Nice poll. Very unbiased and not leading at all.
     
  3. Scuba Pete

    Scuba Pete Le plongeur avec attitude...

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    Well Lintu...

    iris89 is obviously into the "false doctrine" scene and wants to see if there are others who have decided that "Love" is not the most important thing about being a Christian. Maybe s/he will find some more people who are into false doctrines as much as s/he is! :D
     
  4. iris89

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    Hi NetDocI am NOT into false doctrine, but to exposing false doctrine that is NOT in harmony and/or inline with the Bible. The Bible is the standard and is essential to stay in line with as the ultimate standard, i.e., the Bible is the Standard. If one's beliefs do not measure up to what the Bible says, they are just plain wrong. To learn more about the Bible as a Standard, go to my articles:
    Civilization and the Bible

    http://forum.bismikaallahuma.org:/viewtopic.php?t=5075

    and,

    STANDARDS ARE PROMULGATED NOT PROVEN BUT USED:

    http://forum.bismikaallahuma.org:/viewtopic.php?t=5076

    Also, I urge you and all others to check what I say and what you believe against the Bible in keeping with Acts 17:11, "Now these were more noble than those in Thessalonica, who received the word with all eagerness, daily searching the scriptures, whether these things were so." (Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible; DRCB). Some may say I am wrong, but I am NOT as I base all that I say on the Bible as the Standard, and not on the beliefs and myths of man as many do as shown by 2 Corinthians 4:4, "In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of unbelievers, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not shine unto them." (DRCB). Now pull off your blinders and check everything.

    Also, check out the facts on false belief and how it got into many so called Christian groups, go to my articles at:

    DISCOURSE ON MAINSTREAM RELIGION:

    http://forum.uymail.com/scripts/mb/showpost.cgi?Board=B805&Number=2802&page=1&view=collapsed&sb=5&login=iris89&sid=44ofFmG3uiAfmCyH1tLw4&language=us

    And,

    WESTMINSTER CONFESSION AN EXAMPLE OF TWISTING BY USE OF HERMENEUTIC METHODOLOGY TO BACK UP A MYTH/FALSE DOCTRINE:

    http://p197.ezboard.com/fabnafrm10.showMessage?topicID=106.topic

    Your Friend in Christ Iris89
     
  5. Feathers in Hair

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    I'm the only vote so far... And I may not have voted correctly, but it was fun!
     
  6. Scuba Pete

    Scuba Pete Le plongeur avec attitude...

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    So then, love and being all things to all men is out the window? I only ask because some people use such a "Holy Crusade" to justify inflicting wounds and being intolerant. They focus on a few irrellevant issues and forget Jesus' words: "I desire mercy and not sacrifice".

    However, if you would like to discuss scripture in the tradition of Jesus then I would stop the heaps upon heaps of outside references that few will follow, and start relating to people from a human standpoint. I guess it depends on whether you want to merely condemn others (sorta like the pharisees) or have a genuine OPEN dialogue (sorta like Jesus and the apostles).
     
  7. iris89

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    Hi NetDoc

    You forgot what the Bible says at 2 Corinthians 4:4, "In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of unbelievers, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not shine unto them." (Douay Rheims Catholic Bible; DRCB). False doctrine is what the Devil blinds the minds of the unbeliever and the need for truth is clearly shown at John 5:31-36, "If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true. 32 There is another that beareth witness of me: and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true. 33 You sent to John: and he gave testimony to the truth. 34 But I receive not testimony from man: but I say these things, that you may be saved. 35 He was a burning and a shining light: and you were willing for a time to rejoice in his light. 36 But I have a greater testimony than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to perfect, the works themselves which I do, give testimony of me, that the Father hath sent me." (DRCB); and most importantly at John 8:32, "And you shall know the truth: and the truth shall make you free." (DRCB).

    Your Friend in Christ Iris89
     
  8. Scuba Pete

    Scuba Pete Le plongeur avec attitude...

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    Now how do you know that I "forgot" anything?

    Are you also suggesting that I am a "non-believer"?

    Unlike Jesus, you cannot look into my heart, soul and mind. So instead, you have made a number of assumptions instead of finding out the truth. One would have to ask "why"? So before we start, I would like you to answer the last paragraph of my last post in this thread...
     
  9. iris89

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    Hi NetDoc

    Your last post with respect to exposing false doctrine shows you forgot, and that is a fact. I said nothing in my last post with respect belief of yours or anyone's.

    Your Friend in Christ Iris89
     
  10. Scuba Pete

    Scuba Pete Le plongeur avec attitude...

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    There are none so blind as those who will not see.

    Your response is typical of a religious zealot. Instead of apologising for making such an assumption, you go on the offensive making it my fault.

    And uh, THANKS for having the compassion, to avoid my last concern. I feel truly unloved by you, and think that signing your replies "Your friend in Christ" is an act of hypocrisy. But hey, that's just my opinion, and unlike you I admit to making a host of mistakes.
     
  11. Mister Emu

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    Phillipians 2:5-8
     
  12. iris89

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    Hi Mister Emu

    I am not sure what your point is, but you should look at Philippians 2:5-8 in sever translations and not just the Authorized King James: (AV). Now, let's look at several modern translations:

    American Standard Version; (ASV).

    Have this mind in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 who, existing in the form of God, counted not the being on an equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men; 8 and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, becoming obedient [even] unto death, yea, the death of the cross.

    The Goodnews Translation; (TGT).

    The attitude you should have is the one that Christ Jesus had: 6 He always had the nature of God, but he did not think that by force he should try to remain equal with God. 7 Instead of this, of his own free will he gave up all he had, and took the nature of a servant. He became like a human being and appeared in human likeness. 8 He was humble and walked the path of obedience all the way to death— his death on the cross.

    The New World Translation; (NWT).

    Keep this mental attitude in you that was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although he was existing in God's form, gave no consideration to a seisure, namely, that he should be equal to God. 7 No, but he emptied himself and took a slave's form and came to be in the likeness of men. 8 More than that, when he found himself in fashion as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient as far as death, yes, death on a torture stake.

    The Complete Jewish Bible, Published by Jewish New Testament Publications, Inc: (CJB).

    Let your attitude toward one another be governed by your being in union with the Messiah Yeshua: 6 Though he was in the form of God, he did not regard equality with God something to be possessed by force. 7 On the contrary, he emptied himself, in that he took the form of a slave by becoming like human beings are. And when he appeared as a human being, 8 he humbled himself still more by becoming obedient even to death - death on a stake as a criminal!

    The New American Standard Bible; (NASB).

    Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although He existed in the form

    of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. 8 Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.

    The New Revised Standard Bible; (NRSB).

    Let the same mind be in you that was in Christ Jesus, 6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not regard equality with God as something to be exploited, 7 but emptied himself, taking the form of a slave, being born in human likeness. And being found in human form, 8 he humbled himself and became obedient to the point of death— even death on a cross.

    The Holman Christian Standard Bible; (HCSB).

    Make your own attitude that of Christ Jesus, 6 who, existing in the form of God, did not consider equality with God as something to be used for His own advantage. 7 Instead He emptied Himself by assuming the form of a slave, taking on the likeness of men. And when He had come as a man in His external form, 8 He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death--even to death on a cross.

    Your Friend in Christ Iris89



     
  13. Mister Emu

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    My point was to refute your point that Jesus and the Father aren't equal. Jesus in the situation, being a man, was not equal, but in His divine form He is.

    TGT
    NRSB
    HCSB
    One half of the translations posted so far state that Jesus was equal with God, the others, excepting the NWT, are ambiguous as to the matter. I have looked at other versions, but find the KJV the "best"
     
  14. iris89

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    Hi Mister Emu

    You do NOT comprehend John 14:28. Now let me give you some assistance in that matter.

    The Truth on John 14:28, just the facts:
    John 14:28 You heard that I said to you, 'I go away, and I will come to you.' If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced, because I go to the Father; for the Father is greater than I." (New American Standard Bible - Reference Edition by Moody Press, Chicago, a div. Of Moody Bible Institute; NASB-MP)

    Here Jesus (Yeshua) affirms that his Father (YHWH) is "greater than I." Therefore, they, The Father (YHWH) and the Son, Jesus (Yeshua) simply can not be coequal. This is reaffirmed many times in the Bible such as at John 10:29, "My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand." (NASB-MP); and John 17:24 shows that God (YHWH) gave his Son, Jesus (Yeshua) his glory, "Father, I desire that they also, whom Thou hast given Me, be with Me where I am, in order that they may behold My glory, which Thou hast given Me; for Thou didst love Me before the foundation of the world." (NASB-MP); and, in John 20:17, Jesus (Yeshua) acknowledges that his Father (YHWH) is his God (YHWH) as follows: "Jesus said to her, 'Stop clinging to Me; for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brethren, and say to them, I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God." (NASB-MP), and this leaves no question that his Father (YHWH) is superior to him. In fact, Jesus (Yeshua) can do nothing of his own initiative as he himself testified to at John 5:19, "Jesus therefore answered and was saying to them, 'Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, unless it is something He sees the Father doing; for whatever the Father does, these things the Son also does in like manner." (NASB-MP).

    Neither can he, Jesus (Yeshua) be coeternal with his Father (YHWH) as his Father (YHWH) has always existed or is without beginning as shown at in Psalms 90:2, "Before the mountains were born, Or Thou didst give birth to the earth and the world, Even from everlasting to everlasting, Thou art God." (NASB-MP); and at Jeremiah 10:10, "But the Lord is the true God; He is the living God and the everlasting King. At His wrath the earth quakes, And the nations cannot endure His indignation." (NASB-MP); and at Psalms 93:2, "Thy throne is established from of old; Thou art from everlasting." (NASB-MP); and Job 36:26 which shows that he has always existed by saying His days are unsearchable/without number, "Behold, God is exalted, and we do not know Him; The number of His years is unsearchable." (NASB-MP).

    However, whereas the Father (YHWH) always existed, the Son, Jesus (Yeshua) did not. He, Jesus (Yeshua) was the first of creation as testified to at Revelation 3:14, "'An to the angel of the church in Laodicea write: The Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God, says this:" (NASB-MP); this fact is further testified to at Colossians 1:15, "And He is the image of the invisible God, the first born of all creation." (NASB-MP); also, Romans 8:29, "For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be come conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the first-born among many brethren." (NASB-MP), showing Jesus (Yeshua) would be the first-born or created among many breathern that He, Jesus (Yeshua) would assist his Father (YHWH) in creating. Colossians 1:16-17 shows His Father (YHWH) used Him to create everything on earth as follows, "For in Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-all things have been created through Him and for Him. 18 He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the first-born from the dead; so that He Himself might come to have first place in everything." (NASB-MP); In fact, it was, Colossians 1:19, "For it was the Father's good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him." (NASB-MP), which once more shows as brought out previously, His Father's (YHWH's) superiority and that His Father had created him and given him "the fullness."

    We have plainly seen that the Father (YHWH) and the Son, Jesus (Yeshua) are neither coequal nor coeternal. Now why do most so called Christians say they are when the Bible says quite the opposite as we have seen? Why is this false doctrine so pervasive and ingrained that few any longer question where it came from or its legitimacy or lack thereof? It is due to a quark of history that many are ignorant of. It came about because in 325 A.D. a pagan Worshipper of the Unconquered Sun, Emperor Constantine wanted religious unity within his empire and cared naught for Bible truth. He called all the known bishops of the so called Christian church to a church council which he himself, a pagan at the time of the council - he claimed to became a Christian on his death bed, and through political prowess got the bishops to agree to incorporate into so called Christianity the principle belief of the pagans in a three-in-one god doctrine in rough form that declared coequality and coeternity for all parts/manifestations of this false doctrine. A historian, Will Durant, had this to say about this, "Christianity did not destroy paganism; it adopted it...The Greek, language, having reigned for centuries over philosophy, became the vehicle of Christian literature and ritual; The Greek mysteries passed down into the impressive mystery of the Mass. Other pagan cultures contributed to the syncretistic results. From Egypt came the ideas of a divine Trinity." ["The Story of Civilization," Vol. III, by Will Durant]. And, "Although the notion of a divine triad or Trinity is characteristic of the Christian religion, it is by no means peculiar to it. In Indian religion we meet with the Trinitarian group of Brahma, Siva, and Visnu; and in Egyptian relioion with the Trinitarian group of Osiris, Isis, and Horus, constituting a divine family, like the Father, Mother, and Son in mediaeval Christian pictures." [Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics," 'Trinity,' page 458]; and, "Respecting the manner in which the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit make one G-d, the Scripture teaches nothing, since the subject is of such a nature as not to admit of its being explained to us." ["Cyclopedia of Biblical, Theological, and Ecclesiastical Literature," 'Trinity,' page 553]; and, "This is not itself a Biblical term, but was a term coined by Tertullian to refer to this whole concept under one word." ["Classic Bible Dictionary," by Jay P. Green, page 483]. Yet many misguided ones actually use belief in this false God (YHWH) dishonoring doctrine as a test of belief to determine whether one of what they wrongly call Christianity. But now you have seen the Truth and proof, and if you are honest hearted the Truth with respect this false doctrine. Remember, Romans 3:3-4, "What then? If some did not believe, their unbelief will not nullify the faithfulness of God, will it? 4 May it never be! Rather, let God be found true, though every man be found a liar, as it is written, 'That Thou mightest be justified in Thy words, And mightest prevail when Thou art judged.'" (NASB-MP). So open your mind and let the Truth make you free from false doctrine.

    Your Friend in Christ Iris89
     
  15. Mister Emu

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    Have you read the beginning of John?

    In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

    The word is Jesus, the Word is God, Jesus is God.
     
  16. iris89

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    Hi Mister Emu

    Yes I have read biased translations of John 1:1, but I know enough Greek to laugh at them.

    In fact I have written several articles on this that I shall provide the links so you can see the facts for yourself:

    Let's Have Reality in Translation:

    http://examining-doctrines.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=207

    and,
    Mainstream Religion Sold Out To Paganism, Details Sellout to Pagan Politicians

    http://examining-doctrines.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=209

    and,

    Documentary on the Book of John Being Anti-Trinitarian-In Multiple Parts:

    http://examining-doctrines.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=97

    Here is a little briefer on the facts that you can dig more deeply into at the links given above, and if you want more information, just send me a private message or an email to me at [email protected] :

    Let's first examine the most common constructs used for translating this scripture and then consider the facts and last some advanced translational items dealing with this scripture.

    The 10 possible constructs of John 1:1 that do NOT violate any rule of Koine Greek grammar with the exception of the fact is that THE-OS' (-God) is a count noun, not a mass noun or an adjective. As a count noun it MUST BE countable, i.e. either definite or indefinite (i.e. either "a god" or "the God") for two of the constructs:

    <1> "and a god was the Logos." [example of Bible using, Das Evangelium nach Johannes, by Jurgen Becker Harwood, 1979]

    <2> "the nature of the Word was the same as the nature of God" [example of Bible using, Schonfield, 1976]

    <3> "The Word dwelt with God, and what God was, the word was." [example of Bible using, The New English Bible, NEB, 1961-present standard Bible agreed to by most denominations in the United Kingdom]

    <4> "And the word was a god" [example of Bible using, The New Testament in An Improved Version, Upon the Basis of Achbishop Newcome's New Translation: With a Corrected Text.]

    <5> "and the Word was divine" [example of Bible using, The Bible: An American Translation, by J.M.P. Smith and E.J. Goodspeed. }

    <6> "and the Word was God" [example of Bible using, American Standard Version, ASV] [note, this construct violates the count noun rule of Koine Greek]

    <7> "He was the same as God" example of Bible using, Today's English Version.]

    <8> "the Logos was divine" [example of Bible using, The New Testament: A New Translation, by James Moffat]

    <9> "r war bei Gott und in allem Gott gleich"[He was with God and in all like God] [example of Bible using, Haenchen (tr. By R. Funk), 1982]

    <10> "Gott (von Art) war der Logos" [God (of Kind/kind) was the Logos/logos] [example of Bible using, Die Bibel in heutigem Deutsch, 198

    As we can see, here are ten different constructs possible without violating any rule of Koine Greek grammar except the count Noun rule. So, now, let's look at what follows in context in general format at John 1:2:

    "The Word, then, was with God at the beginning," (The New English Bible, NEB)

    "The same was in the beginning with God." (American Standard Version, ASB)

    "The same was in the beginning with God." (Authorized King James Bible; AV)

    "He was in the beginning with God." (Revised Standard Version; RSV)

    "He was in the beginning with God." (The Confraternity Edition of the New Testament - Catholic)

    As is easily seen, John 1:2 is substantially the same in all translations. However, in context it does not harmonize with some of the constructs used which do not violate any rule of Koine Greek grammar with the exception of the count Noun rule to be explained later.

    However clearly some of the ten (10) or more basic constructs agree in context with John 1:2 and some do NOT. Let's look at the point where some do not agree or harmonize with the context of John 1:2:

    John 1:2 plainly says that the Word, or Logos, who is Jesus (Yeshua) was with God in the beginning which would be impossible if Jesus (Yeshua) was Almighty God (YHWH) himself. This rules out constructs 6, 7, and 10, represented below, as impossible as they do NOT harmonize with context.

    <6> "and the Word was God" [example of Bible using, American Standard Version, ASV] [note, this construct violates the count noun rule of Koine Greek]

    <7> "He was the same as God" example of Bible using, Today's English Version.]

    <10> "Gott (von Art) war der Logos" [God (of Kind/kind) was the Logos/logos] [example of Bible using, Die Bibel in heutigem Deutsch, 198

    And two of these constructs do violate the count Noun rule of Koine Greek; to wit, constructs 6 and 7.

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  17. lilithu

    lilithu The Devil's Advocate

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    I voted yes just because the question was so ludicrous. :D
     
  18. iris89

    iris89 Active Member

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    Hi lilithuThe question may seem ludicrous on the surface, but a little examination of the subject will show it is anything but ludicrour due to the practices and beliefs of many. Go to the following writings of mine and you will quickly see why:

    Mainstream Religion Sold Out To Paganism, Details Sellout to Pagan Politicians

    http://examining-doctrines.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=209

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  19. anders

    anders Well-Known Member

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    What an utterly senseless question! A person voting, should there be any, might have his/her very special own opinion of what is False Doctrine. So, the answers will be perfectly meaningless. (I didn't vote.)
     
  20. iris89

    iris89 Active Member

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    Hi anders

    Your comment,

    Not meaningless at all. I was referring to God's (YHWH's) thoughts on the matter presented in his word, The Bible. We all have our opinions, but if they are NOT in harmony with the Bible as the Standard, they are worthless, i.e., false doctrine.

    Go to:

    STANDARDS ARE PROMULGATED NOT PROVEN BUT USED:

    http://forum.bismikaallahuma.org:/viewtopic.php?t=5076

    and learn about the Bible as a Standard

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