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The trinity of three scriptures destroys the myth of the Trinity:

Discussion in 'Biblical Debates' started by iris89, Dec 27, 2004.

  1. theMadJW

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    Mad: Too bad having Love for God and Truth is not so important to you!
     
  2. Truid

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    Why are you bumping a 3 year old thread? Obviously Iris' only intent was to promote her website here. I'm surprised the mods haven't deleted her posts. Unless it's ok to spam your website on this message board and get free advertising.
     
  3. Muffled

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    I consider your doctrine of the Trinity to be false. Do you really think you can justify your doctrine? IT is God who justifies, you can't justify yourself.
     
  4. Dr. Ash

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    I am convinced that whether one claims Christ is not God, or that He is the Father or that he is a second person in the Godhead does understand Christ as mediator. Extremes oppose extremes and errors are used to refute errors.
     
  5. Dr. Ash

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    I take it this site is long closed shop
     
  6. Dr. Ash

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    How do I go to new pages to post?
     
  7. Katzpur

    Katzpur Not your average Mormon

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    The thread is still open, just pretty old. You can continue to post here if you want or you can start a new thread. (Welcome to RF, by the way. :) )
     
  8. Muffled

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    It helps to be more specific. The scripture is not in error, men are in error by making claims they can't back up.

    One scripture does not erase another scripture. The fact that Jesus is mediator does not alter the scripture that states He is the Father. The prophets were mediators too in the sense that God's word had to pass through them, however they lacked the authority of Jesus because they were not the Father. What is it that Jesus has that the Father does not that serves as mediation? He has a body with a brain and a voice to speak. Give me a choice and I would much prefer to speak to God while He is in a body that to try to hear His still small voice through the spirit.
     
  9. whatistruth07

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    JESUS called God “the only true God.” (John 17:3) Never did he refer to God as a deity of plural persons. That is why nowhere in the Bible is anyone but Jehovah called Almighty. Otherwise, it voids the meaning of the word “almighty.” Neither Jesus nor the holy spirit is ever called that, for Jehovah alone is supreme. At Genesis 17:1 he declares: “I am God Almighty.” And Exodus 18:11 says: “Jehovah is greater than all the other gods.”

    ONE of the main reasons why Jesus came to earth also has a direct bearing on the Trinity. The Bible states: “There is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus, who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all.”—1 Timothy 2:5, 6.

    Jesus, no more and no less than a perfect human, became a ransom that compensated exactly for what Adam lost—the right to perfect human life on earth. So Jesus could rightly be called “the last Adam” by the apostle Paul, who said in the same context: “Just as in Adam all are dying, so also in the Christ all will be made alive.” (1 Corinthians 15:22, 45) The perfect human life of Jesus was the “corresponding ransom” required by divine justice—no more, no less. A basic principle even of human justice is that the price paid should fit the wrong committed.

    If Jesus, were part of a Godhead, the ransom price would have been infinitely higher than what God’s own Law required. (Exodus 21:23-25; Leviticus 24:19-21) It was only a perfect human, Adam, who sinned in Eden, not God. So the ransom, to be truly in line with God’s justice, had to be strictly an equivalent—a perfect human, “the last Adam.” Thus, when God sent Jesus to earth as the ransom, he made Jesus to be what would satisfy justice, not an incarnation, not a god-man, but a perfect man, “lower than angels.” (Hebrews 2:9; compare Psalm 8:5, 6.) How could any part of an almighty Godhead—Father, Son, or holy spirit—ever be lower than angels?
     
  10. Muffled

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    God is one. He is not in parts. Granted that sometimes people perceive Jesus as a part of God but that is a false perception. Jesus makes this clear when He says:
    Joh 10:30 I and the Father are one.

    This is not a question of eternal superiority but of temporal superiority. IE. God does not have to operate on man's level but he chose to do so for a time and purpose. Php 2:8 and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, becoming obedient even unto death, yea, the death of the cross.

    Many have tried to use the superior/inferior dichotomy to separate Jesus from Jehovah but they fail to see that temporal attributes are not essential attributes. The Spirit of God incarnated in Jesus is the essence of God. The body He inhabits and acts humble in is temporal and useful for the time and purpose it was designed for.

     
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