What do you think has worked better than capitalism?
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"The Right is way worse than the Left!!!"
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Father Heathen
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It doesn't matter the system; people will find ways to ruin it.
Some are inherently ruined.
So if he wants to ditch capitalism, he should have an alternative.
Hunter gatherer?
Communist?
Feudalism?
Talk about garbage ...
PureX
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Communism on a small scale, and socialism on a larger scale have both worked far better for the humans involved than capitalism. So much so that every capitalist economy has to routinely employ and enforce some socialist ideals just to keep them from self-destroying.
But since you have no idea what either of those systems actually are, and you want to stubbornly presume them to be totalitarian dictatorships so that your beloved capitalism can pretend to be superior, I doubt any of this will make any sense to you. In fact, I don't understand why you'd ask me this when you clearly don't want to know that there even is an answer.
Where has socialism replaced capitalism,
& worked well?
Father Heathen
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Universal healthcare.
Well yeah that’s true too
I’m certainly guilty of that
Politics does seem to bring out all the “one eyed supporters.”
(Australian slang for people who only see fault in their opponent but none from their own side.)
PureX
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SOME people will always try. But the better the system works for everyone, the more outnumbered those few become.
And what's the alternative? To just accept failure and suffering?
PureX
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Go find out what it is, and then we'll have the discussion.
That isn't an example of a country
where socialism has replaced capitalism.
Also, healthcare isn't the "means of production".
Oh, you conservatives....always getting the
definition of "socialism" wrong. It's about the
means of production, not public schools,
health care, roads, courts, etc.
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In English, please.
Whilst I’m happy to sing the praises of universal healthcare all day and night, is it actually a socialist thing?
Like my country is not at all socialist. We still have it.
Like what makes that system socialist in nature, is what I’m asking? Because most capitalist countries have that as a default because it increases productivity in the workforce.
I mean our Healthcare system is both public and private here.
That said, I’ve been told more than once that my country’s systems seems like socialism to American eyes. So maybe I’m an evil red commie without really realising it lol
I'll wager that I've far more education than thou hath.
(Your faith based excoriation of all capitalism is a symptom.)
I get the impression that team red will decry anything that isn't privately owned and controlled as socialism. That would absolutely include the government taking care of basic and fundamental needs of its citizens like providing universal health care. And also education, apparently, as it is team red that is trying to wholly privatize education to make it private run only. The idiot governor of my own state has been trying to pull this scam since she's been in office and we used to have an education system that was the envy of the country; now it's being underfunded because team red doesn't understand budget surpluses mean you invest in public good. But investing in the public good is "socialism" to these people and they'd rather give handouts to the wealthy by passing flat taxes. Seriously, that's what happened in my state.
Sure, there's a lot of that, too. There are also those who seem to get quite incensed if one points out fault on one's own side. That's an attitude I never could understand.
You don't really see it in sports. If one's own team is doing lousy, then you say so. Sometimes fans will boo their own side if the home team is doing poorly on the field. The coach will yell at them at halftime and say "You suck! Get it together!" And they either play better or they're off the team. Sometimes it might be viewed as the coach's fault, and the coach might get fired.
Still, if your home team sucks, and even if you're a fan, it should be no sin to say it out loud. Some people think you should always have "team spirit" and support the team no matter what, but as a fan, you don't really want to set yourself up for a huge disappointment either.
Father Heathen
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Oh. What if it’s both like my country’s system? Lol
Father Heathen
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I think that's ideal. I'm not anti-capitalist, but privatizing medical care and turning it into a predatory racket that drive people into debt is ghoulish.
I was in the hospital earlier this year - almost died from sepsis - and we got ****ed hard from the resulting bills.
Wow!
That’s crazy!!!
I suppose our “red team” is similar. Though I don’t know to what extent. Because government funded programs are considered the norm by both parties here. Less so by the Conservative Party but still