I did not mean scientific reason.
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The implications of God's existence or lack thereof
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Jumi
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Many whether theist or atheist don't even believe in the big bang, whether they're theists or atheists, or have much beliefs about it.
That's a different question.
A Vestigial Mote
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I don't understand this position. You can look forward to the continuation of the human race as long as you are able to look forward to it... even if there is no afterlife. You can know you made an impact here on Earth in the lives of the people you impacted, and look forward to their honoring you in their memories... even if there is no afterlife. You can look forward to your offspring (if you were lucky enough to be graced with any) living out their lives using the lessons and guidance you gave them... even if there is no afterlife.
Just remember that you, specifically, do not need to be present on Earth (or anywhere else) in order for the rest of the universe to continue on. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.
Skwim
Veteran Member
So, when you said "Atheists believe the big bang just happened for no reason." what kind of reason did you have in mind?
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Works both ways.
And i think what you mean is
"wax on and on about lack of evidence for god"
Don't know much about atheism do you?
I know for example that in about 4000 years of Abrahamic god worship, literally billions of believers have failed to provide any evidence of a god.
In the meantime, you think you know based on indoctrination without evidence.
I have no belief in woo but i am stable, wise and at least as moral as you.
No we don't.
Not so. I know for example that my constituent atoms will last as long as this universe and may even go towards building other life or helping a sun shine brightly.
There is no opinion in that, just fact
osgart
Nothing my eye, Something for sure
The universe will someday end, but i agree that life is important for as long as life exists. I cherish life.
Yet we are here, existing and there has never been any verified sign of god
osgart
Nothing my eye, Something for sure
Or sit dormant in dark isolation, or fade to nothing. Who knows for sure the fate of atoms?
This has been known since 1784, The Conservation of Mass/Energy.
Could be that some of my atoms wind up lining some dank and dismal cave, the atoms won't mind but I'm content that i may help build a world.
Ultimately if the universe lasts that long it will encounter heat death in which each individual photon is so far from any other and moving at such a speed that no other photon will ever be visible to any other photon. Such isolation encompasses every particle of matter and energy in this universe so i won't be alone (yes that's the ultimate pun)
A definition others assign to the Big Bang.
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Actually even the Big Bang may not be necessary. There are a number of alternative explanations for the origin of our universe.
Many believers appeal to evidence that a 'Source' some call God(s) exists, but there is no objective verifiable evidence for God, especially for any one of the many exclusive conflicting claims to 'know' God. The natural nature of our physical existence is actually indifferent human beliefs and arguments for the existence of God(s).
I believe in God, and the only coherent belief is a universal 'Source' that is undefinable by human efforts. nor the images and doctrines of many diverse conflicting belief systems over the millennia. The different ancient religions that argue from their own perspective to be the only one view of the 'Source' regardless of whether it is described to exist in one form of another is not a rational perspective, nor coherent if God is a universal 'Source.' If God is an arbitrary God preferring one culture or ethnic group in ancient history, well ah . . . not likely.
I acknowledge the possibility of the metaphysical naturalist perspective, but for the reasons of the greater dimension of the spiritual nature of humanity and Creation I believe in a Universal God.
sealchan
Well-Known Member
It sounds to me like you are pursuing a spiritual path and it is not allowing you to maintain, as much as you would like, your material path. If that is so then you might need to allow yourself the opportunity to find the spiritual within the material. You can engage with any aspect of reality with a spiritual attitude.
As for myself I am attempting to simplify my life in terms of material possessions. Have you looked at the simplicity movement to help you find an agreeable balance in this area?
Also what would you say are your spiritual tools that you can use to deal with life's aspects? For me I have Bible study, dream interpretation, music, movies, reading in various subjects, my marriage, etc...
God, for me, chose me and I realized that I had to acknowledge and cultivate a relationship with Him/Her/It. I have found some objective demonstration of the psychological reality of God in the pattern of dreams and visions people have had about God that loosely but significantly correlates with the experience that Abram/Abraham is described as having in the Book of Genesis. What experiences of God have you had?
Only if you have no affection whatsoever for the generations to come, don't you think?
osgart
Nothing my eye, Something for sure
I do have affection for generations to come. I meant it personally, for myself. Pardon the misunderstanding.