The end of the Fossil Fuel era is upon us so what are we going to do next-?

[Terrywoodenpic]

Oil should never be used as energy.
In the long term it will remain the main raw material of chemicals and plastics.

There are very few countries that could not provide all their energy needs, from renewables using already known technologies. These will undoubtedly improve and be expanded. they are already the main source of industrial growth in the world. They are also the main area for new employment and new technology.

"American industry" is more interested in making money at the lowest cost. than investing in the future.
It cares little about the environment.
or the future of its people.
It is happy to export its jobs
and let its infrastructure decline.
It does not care where it earns its money provided the return is maximised.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Oil should never be used as energy.
In the long term it will remain the main raw material of chemicals and plastics.

There are very few countries that could not provide all their energy needs, from renewables using already known technologies. These will undoubtedly improve and be expanded. they are already the main source of industrial growth in the world. They are also the main area for new employment and new technology.

"American industry" is more interested in making money at the lowest cost. than investing in the future.
It cares little about the environment.
or the future of its people.
It is happy to export its jobs
and let its infrastructure decline.
It does not care where it earns its money provided the return is maximised.

Please do not slap 'American' on it. Industry currently is something that thrives on scale. Its like fire and has to be carefully fed or it gets out of control

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Please do not slap 'American' on it. Industry currently is something that thrives on scale. Its like fire and has to be carefully fed or it gets out of control

What I wrote applies to America in spades. And is already well out of control.
However many others are going the same route.

 

[Thief]

Please do not slap 'American' on it. Industry currently is something that thrives on scale. Its like fire and has to be carefully fed or it gets out of control

like deforestation of equilateral territories.......for grazing land......for cows

and the top soil is thin......
it washes away in the next two monsoon seasons

 

[Brickjectivity]

like deforestation of equilateral territories.......for grazing land......for cows

and the top soil is thin......
it washes away in the next two monsoon seasons

Oh, you mean near the Earth's equator.

What I wrote applies to America in spades. And is already well out of control.
However many others are going the same route.

I like to think that manufacturing is about to return to the home. Most things can be produced by homeowners using automation if they have a good system to start with and some training, a recipe book and a set of equipment. This is the only remedy I can envision for the industrial problem.

 

[Thief]

ok....I meant equatorial.....

 

[Guy Threepwood]

All such conspiracy theories are bunk.
The proof?
If any one of them invented something more efficient, then they could make money off of it.
Not convinced?
If any one of them invented something more efficient, then other companies & countries could do it to.
Certainly, Big Oil couldn't prevent such innovation in China, Russia, S Korea, N Korea, India, etc, etc.
I've heard the same thing about auto companies.
But when I worked for GM, & my relatives worked for Ford, we never heard of any withheld technologies.
Although.....there were some really bad ideas we didn't pursue.

I have a member of the family working with Ford in Detroit, lots of focus on reducing weight, aluminum/plastic body and parts etc, to comply with regulations- for a flimsier vehicle- all to make the winters less balmy here in MI?!
I used to insist on buying cars built in this state- but they already got this downsizing figured out in S Korea and the cars look the same Oh well - I still have my Tecumseh lawnmower!

 

[Revoltingest]

I have a member of the family working with Ford in Detroit, lots of focus on reducing weight, aluminum/plastic body and parts etc, to comply with regulations- for a flimsier vehicle- all to make the winters less balmy here in MI?!

At least trucks are getting heavier duty.
I notice this because newer ones can handle heavier snowplows.
Ford's aluminum body is the future.
Ditch the dead weight!

 

[Guy Threepwood]

At least trucks are getting heavier duty.
I notice this because newer ones can handle heavier snowplows.
Ford's aluminum body is the future.
Ditch the dead weight!

Well yeah, I like the new styling on the Ford trucks too- though I still go with tractor/snowblower up here, unlike you soft southern Michiganders!

I'm still skeptical on the aluminum, a little dead weight can come in handy at crunch time

and not writing off stainless steel either!


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[Sha'irullah]

Whatever .. the point is that it's finite .. unfortunately we can't stop world war III
Eventually, I believe that mankind will go back to living a relatively simple life .. even the internet will grind to a halt, or at least slow down .. without energy, it can't function .. energy will be precious

Me and you share very similar opinions about man's fate. I await the return of the sword.

 

[Revoltingest]

Well yeah, I like the new styling on the Ford trucks too- though I still go with tractor/snowblower up here, unlike you soft southern Michiganders!

I'm still skeptical on the aluminum, a little dead weight can come in handy at crunch time

You don't need weight nearly as much as controlled crush depth of structure.
Besides, weight should be in payload.
I carry a ton just in tools.

and not writing off stainless steel either!

Good choice for fasteners, but not for a body.
A stainless frame would be cool.

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[A Vestigial Mote]

I've always liked the idea of using orbiting solar panels to gather energy from the Sun then have it beamed down to receiving stations on the ground.

This sounds like it needs to involve teleportation of electricity... I don't believe we have this technology at the moment.

 

[james dixon]

33 years left?

That's interesting, 30 years ago when I was at school, we only had 15 years left!

times change .,.,., -

 

[psychoslice]

A Fred Flintstones car ?.

 

[Guy Threepwood]

times change .,.,., -

'peak oil' seems to keep getting further away from us!

 

[Valjean]

How environmentally hazardous do our current drilling sites and methods have to become before it's generally agreed we should consider switching to alternative energy sources?

 

[james dixon]

'peak oil' seems to keep getting further away from us!

If this helps you sleep at night then keep on keeping on -

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

How environmentally hazardous do our current drilling sites and methods have to become before it's generally agreed we should consider switching to alternative energy sources?

Most countries agree that time was passed some time ago. Including the gulf oil states., who are ivesting heavily in renewables.

 

[Guy Threepwood]

If this helps you sleep at night then keep on keeping on -

Just an unambiguous observation.

It was imminent when I was at school in the 70's, now there is a global glut. I think we have plenty real problems to loose sleep over, like energy poverty deaths, people dying of cold in developed countries from the huge added cost of energy caused by 'green' subsidies

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Just an unambiguous observation.

It was imminent when I was at school in the 70's, now there is a global glut. I think we have plenty real problems to loose sleep over, like energy poverty deaths, people dying of cold in developed countries from the huge added cost of energy caused by 'green' subsidies

Say what? Energy bills and the cost of living were ridiculously extortionate long before green subsidies showed up.