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Featured The Divine force of Electromagnetism

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  1. Native

    Native Free Natural Philosopher & Comparative Mythologist

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    God is Light - and Light is Electromagnetism :)

    Abstract:

    It has been one of the greatest surprises of the Space Age – powerful magnetic fields pervade the cosmos. Mainstream astronomers and astrophysicists do indeed acknowledge pervasive cosmic magnetism, but they did NOT predict it, and the realization has come begrudgingly.

    Related links: From the Danish H.C. Ørsted to James C. Maxwell
    Hans Christian Ørsted - Wikipedia
    Michael Faraday - Wikipedia
    Homopolar motor - Wikipedia
    James Clerk Maxwell - Wikipedia

    The video explore and explain why powerful cosmic-scale magnetic fields associated with countless celestial objects is the clearest indication that we live in an Electromagnetic Universe.



    Watch this video and give a response :)
     
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    Science is all about discovery. :)
     
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    Regiomontanus retired astronomer

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    Something everyone can agree on: we are still learning how our universe works.
     
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    The "electric universe" (aka "magnetic universe", aka "plasma cosmology", aka "sacred geometry torus model") is a pseudo scientific (or at least fringe) hypothesis that isn't supported by the cosmologist community or any data.

    While some of the data reported in the video are correct, there is no overarching electromagnetic force influencing cosmic development.
     
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    It's always better if you have the facts on your side. The galactic magnetic fields certainly exist, but they are *far* from being 'powerful'. They do have an influence on several phenomena, but not nearly to the degree the Thunderbolt project claims.

    Another source:

    Galactic magnetic fields - Scholarpedia

    Magnetic Field Strengths in Galaxies
    Total magnetic field strengths can be determined from the intensity of total synchrotron emission, assuming energy balance (equipartition) between magnetic fields and cosmic rays. This assumption seems valid on large spatial and time scales, but deviations occur on local scales in galaxies. The typical average equipartition strength for spiral galaxies is about 10 μG (microGauss) or 1 nT (nanoTesla). For comparison, the Earth's magnetic field has an average strength of about 0.3 G (30 μT). Radio-faint galaxies like M 31 (Fig.3) and M 33, our Milky Way's neighbors, have weaker fields (about 5 μG), while gas-rich galaxies with high star-formation rates, like M 51 (Fig.1), M 83 and NGC 6946 (Fig.2), have 15 μG on average. In prominent spiral arms the field strength can be up to 25 μG, in regions where also cold gas and dust are concentrated. The strongest total equipartition fields (50-100 μG) were found in starburst galaxies, for example in M 82 and the Antennae, and in nuclear starburst regions, for example in the centers of NGC 1097 and of other barred galaxies."
     
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    As a comparison, a few magnetic field strengths:

    Neutron stars: 10,000,000,000 T
    MRI machine: 1.5 T
    Magnetic Field at a sunspot: .4 T
    Refrigerator magnet: .001 T
    Sun's average magnetic field: .0001 T
    Earth's magnetic field: .00003 T
    Milky Way galaxy's field: .000000003 T (large estimate)
     
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    all we are is aether in the wind
     
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    one of their passably ok songs.
    bunch o jugalo's:)
     
  11. Native

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    Well, that´s just the point in the video: Consensus cosmologists don´t have eyes for the obvious E&M facts - which is why they´re going into the cosmological "dark mode" everywhere.

    You wouldn´t even be able to know anything about the Universe if it wasn´t for the cosmic E&M frequensies.
     
  12. Native

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    Facts are indeed nice and required - and they can be interpreted in several ways according to your favorite cosmological theory.

    It all depends on your approach. If you have the weakest fundamental force of "gravity" to govern everything, you´ll have to invent all kinds of "dark issues" in order to explain how the stronger E&M forces acts in cosmos.

    If you have the stronger E&M fundamental forces and qualities to govern everything, you can drop "dark matter" and "dark holes" - together with your "gravitational collapse and explosion formation" as well.
    Of course E&M deviations occurs "in local scales". This is the normal function of E&M forces and fields which induces more E&M forces and fields everywhere, even in biological areas.

    Even NASA is now considering the E&M influences on the galactic scales:

    Excerpt from - Magnetic Fields Force New Perspective on the Center of Our Milky Way Galaxy
    “There are still aspects of our galaxy’s black hole that we can’t explain with gravity alone,” said Joan Schmelz, SOFIA senior science advisor and director at the Universities Space Research Association, in Columbia Maryland. “Magnetic fields may be able to help solve these mysteries”.

    Scientists have often relied on gravity to explain their results because measuring celestial magnetic fields is extremely challenging. But the data from SOFIA now compel scientists to consider their role.

    Magnetic fields control the plasma of the solar atmosphere, called the corona, because the pressure created by magnetic fields is greater than the pressure created by heat, or thermal pressure. In the Sun’s corona, the dominance of magnetic pressure creates dramatic loops and powerful flares. The research team is using SOFIA’s data to study the pressure created by magnetic fields at the center of our galaxy.

    They found that the magnetic pressure is greater than the thermal pressure created by gas in the region, and therefore may be strong enough to control matter in a way that’s similar to the solar corona”.
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    Again: It´s all about your cosmological approaches and your openness for further explanations. And when even NASA are beginning to change their old and often contradicted convensus approaches, it´s about high time for everyone else to do the same.
     
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    "God is Light "

    Quran mentions :

    [24:36] اَللّٰہُ نُوۡرُ السَّمٰوٰتِ وَ الۡاَرۡضِ ؕ مَثَلُ نُوۡرِہٖ کَمِشۡکٰوۃٍ فِیۡہَا مِصۡبَاحٌ ؕ اَلۡمِصۡبَاحُ فِیۡ زُجَاجَۃٍ ؕ اَلزُّجَاجَۃُ کَاَنَّہَا کَوۡکَبٌ دُرِّیٌّ یُّوۡقَدُ مِنۡ شَجَرَۃٍ مُّبٰرَکَۃٍ زَیۡتُوۡنَۃٍ لَّا شَرۡقِیَّۃٍ وَّ لَا غَرۡبِیَّۃٍ ۙ یَّکَادُ زَیۡتُہَا یُضِیۡٓءُ وَ لَوۡ لَمۡ تَمۡسَسۡہُ نَارٌ ؕ نُوۡرٌ عَلٰی نُوۡرٍ ؕ یَہۡدِی اللّٰہُ لِنُوۡرِہٖ مَنۡ یَّشَآءُ ؕ وَ یَضۡرِبُ اللّٰہُ الۡاَمۡثَالَ لِلنَّاسِ ؕ وَ اللّٰہُ بِکُلِّ شَیۡءٍ عَلِیۡمٌ ﴿ۙ۳۶﴾
    Allah is the Light of the heavens and the earth. The similitude of His light is as a lustrous niche, wherein is a lamp. The lamp is in a glass. The glass is as it were a glittering star. It is lit from a blessed tree — an olive — neither of the east nor of the west, whose oil would well-nigh glow forth even though fire touched it not. Light upon light! Allah guides to His light whomsoever He will. And Allah sets forth parables to men, and Allah knows all things full well.
    OOOOOOOOOOOO
    This parable of light is useful for humanity and sets/guides them on the right path to G-d by illuminating it for them with brilliant reasons. Right, please?
    There are many a verse in Quran that explain different aspects of/to this light. Right, please?

    Regards
     
  14. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue The gentle embrace of twilight has become my guide

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    Abstract?

    Just call it for what it is. Its not scientific, so I just see it as theological.
     
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    Right - although I personally would avoid the personal term of a monotheistic "G-d" and instead use the general term of "creative powers of E&M".
     
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    I just love that sentence........ :)

    QUESTION:-
    Are magnetic fields in, say, Neutron Stars caused by the presence of iron?
    Is Iron necessary for the presence of magnetic fields?
     
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    Apparently it it too abstract for you to combine and connect the religious Light of Creation to the modern term of Light as in electromagnetic frequensies.

    Light is Light, no matter if you take it religious or scientific, but I guess you never read the links and watched the video before you became emotional religious in you mind and your posted abstract comment :)
     
  18. Native

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    Polymath257 said:
    It's always better if you have the facts on your side.
    Me too. But I hate to find assumptions which are taken as facts :)
    No iron is not necessary at all. According the link to H. C. Ørsted above, magnetic fields simply can be created by electric currents, no matter if the current flows in a wire or flows in cosmic atomic cloud of gas and dust.

    "Neutron stars" are just hugly charged spheres of electromagnetism which rotates very rapidly as described here:

    "Neutron stars rotate extremely rapidly after their formation due to the conservation of angular momentum; in analogy to spinning ice skaters pulling in their arms, the slow rotation of the original star's core speeds up as it shrinks. A newborn neutron star can rotate many times a second".

    The rapid rotation have lead scientists to believe that these stars are made of neutrons as "all other materials would have been slung away from such rapidly rotating stars". In fact it is the very magnetic field which hold this and other stars together.

    Besides this. the "standard explanation" of "neutron stars" is the usual "collapse and explosion" ideas which is very contra intuitive and without real dynamic and causal explanations.
     
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    No to both. Iron isn't even the only ferromagnetic material.

    Magnetic fields are produced whenever there is an electric current.
     
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    It isn't just the rotation that leads us to the conclusion that neutron stars are made of neutrons. It is their small size and large mass, which means they have to have very high density. The only way to achieve that density is with nuclear materials.

    Except that those facts, like actually seeing supernovas that leave neutron stars (M1 is the classic example).
     
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