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The Conflicting Theologies of the New Testament

sooda

Veteran Member
How bout this one:

23 Jesus replied to them, “The hour has come for the Son of Man to be glorified. 24 Truly I tell you, unless a grain of wheat falls to the ground and dies, it remains by itself. But if it dies, it produces much fruit.

It means a kernel of wheat has to die to produce more wheat. Its a reference to his crucifixion.
 

LightofTruth

Well-Known Member
No.. It dies falls to the ground and sprouts more wheat. What is difficult about that parable?
Why is it that most of Christianity believes that a steady stream of branches was ascending to heaven before the kernel died to produce them?
 

LightofTruth

Well-Known Member
Most of Christianity believes man was created with an immortal soul. That means that the soul, the real person, apart from his sinful nature flesh, goes somewhere when the body dies. if the person was a faithful believer, their soul goes to be with God. if not, they go somewhere else.

Now how is it that anyone could go to heaven before the one, the kernel, who produces the branches/fruit dies and ascends himself?
 

LightofTruth

Well-Known Member
Suffice it to say that no branch or fruit could ever be produced by a kernel unless it dies and raises from the dead to produce fruit. So anyone who says that anyone went to heaven by being produced by Jesus before he died is a liar.
 

The Reverend Bob

Fart Machine and Beastmaster
Most of Christianity believes man was created with an immortal soul. That means that the soul, the real person, apart from his sinful nature flesh, goes somewhere when the body dies. if the person was a faithful believer, their soul goes to be with God. if not, they go somewhere else.

Now how is it that anyone could go to heaven before the one, the kernel, who produces the branches/fruit dies and ascends himself?
Explain:
Luke 23:39-43
Luke 16:19-31
Matthew 17:1-3
Matthew 22:31-32
1 Kings 17:19-23

Let the cognitive dissonance begin.
 

leov

Well-Known Member
The Nazarenes and Ebionites were all about Jesus' teaching to the exclusion of Paul's. They were just as much a legitimate sect of Christianity with direct ties to the Apostles as the Paulines were. In fact before 500 CE they were the majority.
Paul was Gnostic and did not care about James-Peter Israeli oriented church, which Paul called different gospel. Two teachings one for psychic element and another for pneumatic, as Jesus preached two messages.
 

The Reverend Bob

Fart Machine and Beastmaster
Paul was Gnostic and did not care about James-Peter Israeli oriented church, which Paul called different gospel. Two teachings one for psychic element and another for pneumatic, as Jesus preached two messages.
And you know this how? Where is your proof? Any supporting scriptures?
 
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