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Featured The Conflicting Theologies of the New Testament

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by The Reverend Bob, Jul 12, 2019.

  1. The Reverend Bob

    The Reverend Bob Fart Machine and Beastmaster

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    We have had a lot of threads nitpicking the various contradictions found in the Bible. But our attention should be focused on the conflicting theologies in the Bible rather than quibbling about how many animals where is the ark or whether Jehoiachin was 8 or 18 when he ascended to the throne.

    Christians often views the Bible has theologically consistent not taking into account that the Bible was written and edited by various people at different who held theologies that differed widely from each other. Member of the different sects that developed after the death Jesus all interpreted the teachings, life and death of Jesus in various ways that could be consider at odds with each other. For example the author of the Gospel of John stresses the divinity of Jesus while in the synoptic gospels there is seldom a hint that Jesus is considered divine by those authors.

    Because of the various theologies that were mashed together in the Bible various sects of Christianity using the same text have developed conflicting theologies based on the importance and emphasis they place of certain scriptures. You can come up with proof text of the divinity of Christ as well a proof text arguing against the divinity of Christ from the very same source...The New Testament. Not only in regards to the divinity of Christ do we see conflicting theologies but in other doctrines as well such as antinomianism v. legalism (scriptures supporting both exist in the NT), we have conflicting doctrines on sin, redemption, atonement, predestination and others all finding support with in the text because the text is not a whole as widely believed but a cut and paste job that was scrabbled together.
     
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  3. The Reverend Bob

    The Reverend Bob Fart Machine and Beastmaster

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    Your so-called truth happens to conflict with other truths found in the NT
     
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    If my truth conflicts with truth then my truth is not truth at all.
     
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    Part of knowing truth is reasonably explaining what is misunderstood as truth. Ever heard of reasonable doubt?
     
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    The Reverend Bob Fart Machine and Beastmaster

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    Apologetics. When you fall down that rabbit hole you have explain the inconsistencies of the explanation with another explanation explaining the inconsistency of the first explanation and so on and so on and so on. This why JW's and other nontrinitarians are able to come up with proof text against trinitarianism, because the proof text that argue against the divinity of Christ actually exist and no amount of apologetics or proof texting is going to make them disappear. And the same with the nontrinitarians when it comes to that doctrine, there are text within the NT that support the doctrine of the divinity of Christ.

    Now why do we have these contradictory proof texts support conflicting doctrines?
     
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    Hubert Farnsworth Well-Known Member

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    Probably the biggest contradiction is that Jesus taught salvation by faith AND works, while Paul taught salvation by faith alone. This is obvious to anyone who reads the new testament without Evangelical Protestant glasses on.
     
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  8. The Reverend Bob

    The Reverend Bob Fart Machine and Beastmaster

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    That only applies to a court of law not biblical criticism
     
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    It's not just a contradiction, it is a completely other doctrine than that taught by Paul. And we can come to understand why it is a conflicting doctrine if we discover who wrote the synoptics and why they wrote it.
     
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    If diligently sought, it is indeed conflicting and contradictory grounded in ancient tribalism, and scripture of questionable provenance.
     
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    Principle of information found in NT is put by St. Paul in this way: "If anyone thinks that he is a prophet, or spiritual, he should acknowledge (epiginōsketō) that the things I am writing to you are a command of the Lord." 1Cor 14:37
     
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    There is evidence that scripture is an interpolation that counters what Paul really taught. Which brings us to another problem... the editors. Sometimes the scribe who copied the Bible had conflicts with the text they were copying and would insert their own theology into the text if the felt the text contradicted their beliefs. Notice that this text is part of what people consider the misogynistic verses of Paul's letter. Notice it closely it says women are not to speak in church but then when we go further into the epistle 1 Corinthians 11:2-16 we find out they can and did speak in church. Why the contradiction in the same text?

    Pastoral interpolation in 1 Corinthians 10-11
     
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    And how do you know your truth is true,do you have proof?
     
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    Baptism is a work of faith, Paul was baptized.
     
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    Well my opinion is it has so many contradictions in it cause it wasn't written under the Authority of God at all.I just really feel it was written by man alone with things that is meant to Control God's people!! If it was written under the Authority of God, there would be no misunderstandings about any of it cause it would be the True Word of God.(which it is not)
     
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    It applies where there are two side to the story
     
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    Proof is revealed to those convinced or willing to be convinced by Scripture.
     
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    The scripture is inspired by God Himself. And anyone convinced of that ought to know that God does not contradict Himself.
     
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    So do you want to remove all conflicting scripture?
     
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