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Featured The Bible - Why Trust It

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by nPeace, Jul 8, 2018.

  1. nPeace

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    Part 1 - Historically Accurate

    ARGUMENT FROM SILENCE
    Skeptics have attacked the Biblical record using the argument from silence. The fact that for many Biblical characters, there is no mention of them outside of the Biblical record in the findings of archeology or ancient inscriptions or manuscripts, calls their historicity into question.

    The argument goes that if such people really lived, one would expect to find some trace of them outside of sacred writings.

    Archaeology Confirms 50 Real People in the Bible
    Add one more to the list.
    Tattenai, also called Sisinnes, (flourished c. 6th–5th century BCE), Persian governor of the province west of the Euphrates River (eber nāri, “beyond the river”) during the reign of Darius I (522–486 BCE).
    According to the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament) Book of Ezra, Tattenai led an investigation into the rebuilding of the Temple in Jerusalem about 519 BCE. He sent a report to Darius, who responded with instructions to allow the work to proceed. Tattenai is one of the few Persian officials mentioned in the Hebrew Bible for whom there is independent attestation; he is mentioned in a cuneiform tablet dated 502 BCE.


    Tattenai
    Tattenai (or Tatnai or Sisinnes) was a Biblical character and a Persian governor of the province west of the Euphrates River during the time of Zerubbabel and the reign of Darius I.

    He is best known for questioning King Darius in regard to the rebuilding of a temple for the Lord, God of Israel. He was generally friendly to the Jews.The rebuilding was being led by Jeshua, son of Jozadak, and Zerubbabel, son of Shealtiel, and had been issued by King Cyrus I. Tattenai wrote a letter to King Darius to ask of these statements were true, and then King Darius wrote a letter confirming that the statements were true. In the letter, Darius asked that the people do everything they can to support this rebuilding financially, and that they do nothing to impede it lest they suffer harsh punishment.

    Babylonian Cuneiform inscriptions
    A number of cuneiform tablets bearing the name Tattenai have survived as part of what may have been a family archive. The tablet that links one member of this family to the Bible character is a promissory note dated to the 20th year of Darius I, 502 BC. It identifies a witness to the transaction as a servant of “Tattannu, governor of Across-the-River”. The clay tablet can be dated to June 5, 502 B.C. exactly.

    Name
    The Name Tattenai (ושתני), probably derived from the Persian name Ustanu, a word found in Zoroastrian scriptures to mean "teaching" though to the Hebrews it was indistinguishable from an expression of the verb נתן natan, meaning "to give". In 1 Esdras he is called Sisinnes.

    Biblical texts
    Ezra 1:1-4; 4:4-16; 5:3-7.

    Tattenai meaning

    Argument from silence DEBUNKED
    CONFIRMED
    : The Bible - Historically Accurate

     
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  2. Unveiled Artist

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    What does all that mean? There is more suttas than there are scriptures and less fights over beliefs without regards to traditions in The Dharma yet both sides believe what we do.

    How does historical accuracy support faith yet, one needs only faith to believe in god?

    And to those who dont have access to history, do they need historical validation for their faith or is it based on something much deeper?

    Why do you (all) need to show historical evidence if scripture?

    Will god not exists without H.E.?

    To me thats like trying to make up for people who just. Dont. Believe in god. H.E. does nothing to prove otherwise.
     
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    Historical evidence proves christianity; christian history (romans, greeks, church, jews, pagans, ephesians)

    They dont prove god
     
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    I find it is Not a question of needing to show historical evidence, but that when Scripture does mention people they are truthfully real people and Not some ' once upon a time ' fairy-tale story people.
     
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    I find what Jesus teaches does prove that what he taught did Not come from his own originality.
    If it did Not come from his God, then there is No way Jesus could have based his teachings on Scripture.
    What Jesus taught proved true, and is still coming true as we will see the unfolding of 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 when 'they' (the powers that be) will be saying, " Peace and Security..." as the precursor to the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14 before Jesus, as Prince of Peace, usher in global Peace on Earth among persons of goodwill.
     
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    Scripture is an historical book. How do you express the same truth if god exists apart from scripture?
     
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    But Id assume that wouldnt matter if one trusts their own instincts when communicating with god.
     
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    Scripture is God's record of his dealings with humanity.

    Without scripture, we have the testimony of creation itself.

    “His invisible qualities are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable.” (ROMANS 1:20)

    However the eyes of faith see through a different lens to those without it. For the believer, no proof is necessary....for the unbeliever, no proof is ever enough. That's what faith is and we are unacceptable to God without it, according to scripture. (Hebrews 11:6)
     
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    How so?

    Without the bible
     
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    I too find that God does exist apart from Scripture because God is located in His heavenly home according to 1 Kings 8:39,49. However, that does Not mean God's Word aka Holy Scripture (Bible) that God is Not the Author.
    In other words, God is given the credit as being the Author of Scripture with some men just being His secretary.
    Mankind is forever linked with God through His laws, principles and standards.
    Jesus taught at John 4:23-24 that there would be people who would worship his Father.
    That worship would be in connection to what Jesus taught that Scripture is religious truth at John 17:17.
     
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    This is way off my point. Im talking about something positive.

    If a person trusts god, they dont Need scripture. Has nothing to do with man made nor falsehood. I dont see peoples faith so negativelly.
     
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    But you are using scripture to say he is apart from it. That sounds contradictory.
     
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    I find there is ' power ' and ' strength ' in Creation. So, we can see such powerful strength in viewing creation even without the Bible. Earth is just right for mankind to inhabit Earth.
    One person said how silly that a BIG tree would have a little acorn growing on it ?, but who would feel safe sitting under that BIG tree if it had water mellons or pumpkins growing on it _______
     
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    Now youre defensive. Im just watching a movie, on different websites, thinking of getting something to eat.

    It is not. That. Serious.

    How does expressing falsehoods of others faith help you come to god?

    Faith is personal. Its not like pointing an incorrect math problem.
     
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    Faith is personal. Its not like pointing to an incorrect math problem.[/QUOTE]
    I find faith was personal to Jesus, so faith is personal, but that does Not have to mean without Jesus.
     
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    I think there is good reason to show that the scriptures are authentic.
    It helps persons see the various reasons for trusting the Bible.
     
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    Much of the Bible is political and/or etiological. As with most folk tales, it is laced with history, but to take the presence of such historical tidbits as evidence of some supernatural claim is simply moronic.
     
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    I find Jesus is a person and Jesus believed he needed Scripture.
    Jesus believed and taught that Scripture is religious truth.
    So, how can a person trust God if they don't know what God requires such as His Golden Rule.
    Apart from Scripture man can't find solutions because man was Not designed to guide his own steps.
    Man seems to focus on the problem and Not focus on the cause.
    For example: a leaking pipe stains a ceiling and to keep painting over that stain does Not solve the problem.
    That problem will exist until that leak in the pipe is fixed.
    Man can't find the solid solution to man's problems because that leak can only be solved by God's solution.
    God's solution is found in the pages of Scripture through the teachings of Christ who trusted Scripture.
     
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    Rubbish.
     
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    I agree. How one can worship God apart from instructions and knowledge, is a matter for them, I suppose. I am not able currently to see how that is done.
    Sadly, some in the past, thought it possible to bypass what God was using to instruct his people. Numbers 16
     
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