Sand Dancer
Crazy Cat Lady
Historically it was the other way around. Muslims aren't allowed to charge interest today.
I got it wrong, sorry. I deleted.
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Historically it was the other way around. Muslims aren't allowed to charge interest today.
Incidentally, i commend the brave women in Iran for their show of defiance in face of religious oppression.What, the ones mentioned in the OP?
Appreciate and respect storming the Capitol, for instance?
Do you approve of the theocracy in Iran that murders women and others in the name of their God?
I think he has a good point, if others push their godless values to others, why they would not be allowed to do the same? And in a way that is democracy, people push their values to others in it, in any case. I think it would be better, if people would be free and independent and decide only about their own life, without any "power rings" to rule them all.
One of the few things I complement and admire Muslims over.Historically it was the other way around. Muslims aren't allowed to charge interest today.
When push comes to shove....
Texas pastor openly calls on 'Christian nationalists' to 'impose their values on society'
"Texas megachurch pastor Robert Jeffress said over the weekend that Christian nationalists had a right to "impose their values" on everyone else.
During an interview with Real America's Voice host Tim Clinton, Jeffress addressed recent concerns about the rising nationalist movement among Christians.
"We always put our love for God above everything, even allegiance to our country," he explained. "But that's not what they're really talking about. Listen carefully. They say they are opposed to people who say America was founded as a Christian nation, Americans who believe not only in the spiritual heritage of our nation, but believe that we ought to use elections to help return our country to its Christian foundation."
"If that's Christian nationalism, count me in," the pastor laughed. "Because that's what we have to do. And what's so hypocritical about this, Tim, is the left don't mind at all imposing their values on our country through the election process. They don't mind forcing their pro-abortion, pro-transgender, pro-open borders policy upon our nation."
Jeffress added: "But they object when conservative Christians try to impose their values on society at large. It's complete hypocrisy."
The pastor has previously rejected the Christian nationalist label.
You see, the problem is that this "pastor" is just an idiot, with not even a minimal idea of what makes a logical statement of fact.When push comes to shove....
Texas pastor openly calls on 'Christian nationalists' to 'impose their values on society'
"Texas megachurch pastor Robert Jeffress said over the weekend that Christian nationalists had a right to "impose their values" on everyone else.
During an interview with Real America's Voice host Tim Clinton, Jeffress addressed recent concerns about the rising nationalist movement among Christians.
"We always put our love for God above everything, even allegiance to our country," he explained. "But that's not what they're really talking about. Listen carefully. They say they are opposed to people who say America was founded as a Christian nation, Americans who believe not only in the spiritual heritage of our nation, but believe that we ought to use elections to help return our country to its Christian foundation."
"If that's Christian nationalism, count me in," the pastor laughed. "Because that's what we have to do. And what's so hypocritical about this, Tim, is the left don't mind at all imposing their values on our country through the election process. They don't mind forcing their pro-abortion, pro-transgender, pro-open borders policy upon our nation."
Jeffress added: "But they object when conservative Christians try to impose their values on society at large. It's complete hypocrisy."
The pastor has previously rejected the Christian nationalist label.
When 'push comes to shove ' (if not sooner) the powers in charge will surprisingly turn on the corrupted religious world - 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3When push comes to shove.... Texas pastor openly calls on 'Christian nationalists' to 'impose their values on society'..............l.
How do you know it's their values that are the godless ones?I think he has a good point, if others push their godless values to others, why they would not be allowed to do the same? And in a way that is democracy, people push their values to others in it, in any case. I think it would be better, if people would be free and independent and decide only about their own life, without any "power rings" to rule them all.
How do you know it's their values that are the godless ones?
Is democracy pushing values on others, or a collective decision on a workable modus vivendi?
It depends on how 'their values' match to the constitution.
Democracy isn't supposed to be a pure rule of the majority over the minority.
'Godless values' is a little disparaging to progressive theists, in particular, btw. More just confusing to us actual Godless.
Well, the problem is how to do it in practice. Because if you claim you as you decide the rights of others, they can also do it with you.
So according to my religion you have no rights at all. You are not even a human. Can you understand the problem with that?
That is the reason why I think no human should have power over other person and everyone should be free to live their own life as they want. It is as bad as the one ring in the lord of the rings, when power is centralized.
Just don't expect them to appreciate and respect yours, and I'm sure you'll get along fine.
(To be clear, I'm not talking about Christians, per se, but those who merge nationalism/jingoism with religion and claim moral superiority due to...due to...something. the last bit never made sense to me)
This still misses the essential point, I think. For too many people, "religious freedom" means "I should get to tell others what they must and must not do, based on my religion, and if I can't, how can I say I have religious freedom?"How do you know it's their values that are the godless ones?
Is democracy pushing values on others, or a collective decision on a workable modus vivendi?
I do believe you've hit the nail directly on its head.This still misses the essential point, I think. For too many people, "religious freedom" means "I should get to tell others what they must and must not do, based on my religion, and if I can't, how can I say I have religious freedom?"
This is, of course, a completely false premise. I happily grant to everyone the complete freedom to live their own lives according to whatever religious beliefs they might have. I do not grant to anyone the permission to try and live somebody else's life -- with or without religious beliefs.
Sorry if it was disparaging. But if Christians pushes values that comes from the God, then the others, with opposing values would automatically push values that don't come from God, that can be called then godless values.
Godless means only something without God, nothing more.
What do you think democracy is supposed to be and why?
Again, how do you know the Bible and ten commandments are God's will? How do you know there is a god, for that matter?They are godless values, if they are the opposite of God's will, or not God's values (God's values are for example the ten commandments).
Maybe in good situation it is modus vivendi. Today it looks like, who can force own values to others. I think best would be that people are free to live their own life as they want.
I'll race ya!Now i want to drunk drive, drive reckless and way over the speed limit and nobody have the power to do anything about that, because it is my life and I am free to as I want.
When push comes to shove....
Texas pastor openly calls on 'Christian nationalists' to 'impose their values on society'
"Texas megachurch pastor Robert Jeffress said over the weekend that Christian nationalists had a right to "impose their values" on everyone else.
During an interview with Real America's Voice host Tim Clinton, Jeffress addressed recent concerns about the rising nationalist movement among Christians.
"We always put our love for God above everything, even allegiance to our country," he explained. "But that's not what they're really talking about. Listen carefully. They say they are opposed to people who say America was founded as a Christian nation, Americans who believe not only in the spiritual heritage of our nation, but believe that we ought to use elections to help return our country to its Christian foundation."
"If that's Christian nationalism, count me in," the pastor laughed. "Because that's what we have to do. And what's so hypocritical about this, Tim, is the left don't mind at all imposing their values on our country through the election process. They don't mind forcing their pro-abortion, pro-transgender, pro-open borders policy upon our nation."
Jeffress added: "But they object when conservative Christians try to impose their values on society at large. It's complete hypocrisy."
The pastor has previously rejected the Christian nationalist label.
Christians do the will of God BECAUSE we believe.
People who do not believe in God (Non-Christians) CANNOT do the will of God.
Jesus did not say, "Go into the world and force people to do My will." We are supposed to make disciples. A deeper understanding is that the Great Commission encourages believers to be a “light” to the world that can be seen by all.
To say it differently, God expects all people to love Him but only Christians do. The others can't.
It is not a biblical demand to force anyone to live a Godly life.
Isaiah had much to say about the salvation of Gentiles through the coming of Messiah:
1 “Arise! Shine! For your light arrives!
The splendor of the Lord shines on you!
2 For, look, darkness covers the earth
and deep darkness covers the nations,
but the Lord shines on you;
his splendor appears over you.
3 Nations come to your light,
kings to your bright light (Isaiah 60:1-3).
The Old Testament prophets spoke of the coming Messiah as a “light to the Gentiles.” That is also how Jesus is presented in the Gospels. As New Testament Christians we understand what it means to be a “light”. It comes from to the Old Testament. Israel was supposed to be a “light” to the Gentiles but so often failed miserably. Jesus called us to be a light.
Christian, just be what you are and your light will shine!