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Survivors & Descendants Of Holocaust Victims Condemn Genocide In Gaza

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Sleeppy, Aug 24, 2014.

  1. Flankerl

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    THE ALMIGHTY sleepy HATH SPOKEN! HEAR YE HEAR YE! PEACE!
     
  2. Godobeyer

    Godobeyer the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
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    and racist treatement and occupation West Bank and siege Gaza are fault of Hamas ?

    you need to check the other opinion to have full understand to the situation

    check in Youtube (Israel VS Israel part1 and part2 ) document made by Jews .
     
  3. CynthiaCypher

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    So if a I shoot a person and their children dead for ******* me off that me by throwing rocks at my house that must mean it's their fault, right?
     
  4. CMike

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    If you start shooting people from your house, and you keep your children next to you, hoping that nobody will stop you, and your child gets harmed in the process.

    It's your fault your child was harmed.
     
  5. metis

    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    Did you ever stop and think that if the treatment of Palestinians and other minorities in Israel is supposedly so bad, why ain't they leaving?
     
  6. metis

    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    So, missiles are just "rocks"?

    BTW, even rocks can kill. If I throw rocks at you and your children, I well understand that I could literally be putting my life in jeopardy by doing so because which parent isn't going to do what's necessary to defend their own children?
     
  7. Sleeppy

    Sleeppy Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.

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    Sleeppy Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.

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    Violent force, terrorism/intimidation are not being used as last resorts, they're being used as the first resorts.
     
  9. Sleeppy

    Sleeppy Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.

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    I haven't called myself Almighty; neither should you. Respect Hashem.
     
  10. metis

    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    So? This is maybe the oldest trick in the book, namely taking the words of a person or even a few and then projecting them as somehow being the norm or that they must be intrinsically correct. A poll taken about two months ago found that over 90% of Israelis were in favor of using military force to deal with Hamas, so contrast that to your links.

    BTW, right now Netanyahu's approval has dropped to around 40%, and I haven't heard the explanation as of yet but I'm willing to betcha that it's probably due to the fact that the IDF hasn't been allowed to finish the job of demilitarizing Hamas. I could be wrong, though, and I'm gonna check it out shortly.
     
  11. Sleeppy

    Sleeppy Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.

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    Even if you believe this, you do understand that less than half of the population voted Hamas into power? You also understand that children aren't allowed to vote?

    They are also displaced or homeless, dying of hunger, thirst and disease.. And many weren't able to heed the warnings.


    I know you've done some thinking, and I know that not everything is divulged to you. So what was thought carefully may, or may not be in your interest. And yes; I think the majority of mankind is acting very ignorantly and indifferently.


    The numbers don't have anything to do with anything. If I take a rifle to Walmart and shoot a full 360 degrees, the amount of people killed doesn't speak on how indiscriminate the action was. And again, it doesn't matter what other countries might or might not do- if other countries kill large numbers of children over the course of a few weeks, I'd be extremely concerned in those cases as well.


    In other words, because less than 45% of the Palestinians in Gaza (not including children) voted for Hamas, the entire population is forever responsible for Hamas' actions.. That makes sense.

    You're mistaken if you believe you aren't guilty of murder. If you continue to play with Hamas and Hezbollah, you will be viewed as terrorists by more and more Palestinians, and others across the world-- and you will continue to die. And this is the truth for any nation.



    Now, I'm a bigot? I accept judgement; so be it. "If I knew anything about Jewish theology".. Tell me, which prophet started the last "offensive war"?


    I understand you're getting angry. But, you should be angry with yourself. This war won't end in 10 years, 20 years, or even 30 years. You'll be at war well after your death, and this is God's judgement against you.
     
  12. Sleeppy

    Sleeppy Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.

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    Are 90% of Israelis apart of the IDF?.. And are 900+ former members of the IDF liars?
     
  13. Jayhawker Soule

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    Both observations are, sadly, true and relevant.
     
  14. CynthiaCypher

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    Deuteronomy 20:10-14

    As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.
     
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    When a country votes to go to war, you don't think that this has consequences for the entire country? What if a country that has a dictatorship wants to destroy your country, what then do you do? Just say "Well, people didn't vote them in so we'll just let them do anything they want to us because we can't respond even though it's self-defense". Ya, right.

    I'm less concerned on how people may view us than I am about protecting us from being massacred.

    I did not call you a "bigot", but what you posted was "bigoted" because you blame Jews for that which happens in all religions, and then you double-down by implying that we don't care about children and don't operate on an basis of believing and trying to operate out of "God's love". Yes, that was "bigoted".

    Oh, now you speak for God? Tell us, which of the prophetic books did you write?

    The fact of the matter if you'd bother to spend some time on the history of the region, you would be aware of the simple fact that most of the neighboring counties to Israel pretty much want Israel gone, and they have supported attempts to undermine Israel at every opportunity, including war. What Israelis have been doing is to do what all other countries have traditionally done, namely defend themselves.

    What you are expecting Israel to do is to commit suicide. If you want to commit suicide, that's your choice, but I personally think you should reconsider; but to expect Israel to commit suicide is not acceptable to them.

    What angers me the most about what you've been posted can be summed up by an Israeli spokesman a couple of decades ago: if the Palestinian leaders stop their war against us, there'll be peace; if Israel stops its defense, we'll be dead.

    If you truly want peace, then I would suggest you moral lessons should be aimed at Hamas-- they're the key here.
     
  16. metis

    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    Did you ever hear of a word called "opinions"?

    Secondly, whenever I see such claims, it begs the question what's involved in said opinions. For example, one rather "enterprising" "creationist" at another website posted a list of maybe about a hundred or so scientists that oppose evolution. But one of the other members at the site looked up some of them, only to find out that what some did was to question maybe a certain evolutionary hypothesis but not the basic concept.

    As applied to your post, some may have an issue with certain strategies, and that's all part of the discussion, but I doubt that any of them would likely say that the IDF and the political leaders should just roll over and play dead.

    Secondly, the question of how much force Israel may be using is "kosher" for discussion, but that's not what I see being posted in so many cases, as we see an incessant attack by some here on Israel even lifting any finger to defend itself. All we see from some here is concern for the Palestinians, which I also share, but not any word of concern for Israelis being killed.

    Israel is at war, a war it doesn't want, but they have to respond for their own defense as all other nations do. For some to single out Israel and yet not hold Hamas responsible for any of their actions is bigotry and morally indefensible. For some to blame Israel for defending itself and not answer questions of what they think they would suggest if their country is attacked is also bigotry and morally indefensible. But that's what we see constantly coming from certain posters here, and that is bigotry that is morally indefensible. Don't read this as pertaining to you.
     
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    Sleeppy Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.

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    Opinions can either be true or false.. View the videos; tell me which of their opinions are true or false- in your opinion.
     
  18. George-ananda

    George-ananda Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
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    It is the fault of all parties in those areas that want to kill Israelis.

    And it's not racist as Israel has no desire to hate Palestinians just because they're Palestinian. Israel must enforce tough measures to keep its citizens from being killed.
     
  19. metis

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    I don't have the time, nor am I particularly interested as I get news feeds on the M.E., including from Israel, every day but Saturday.
     
  20. George-ananda

    George-ananda Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
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    For the third time, what are these other resorts Israel hasn't tried or thought of.

    It's like your argument needs to put out there some completely unspecified panacea solution that Israel hasn't tried. We'd all love to hear the plan. I'm saying in the current world, force is justified against Hitler. Al Queda, Hamas, etc. until I hear something better than going back in time and starting again from scratch.
     
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