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Supremes To Consider The Military Draft

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by Revoltingest, Jun 6, 2021.

  1. Shadow Wolf

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    Definitely. It's probably not too terribly far away a reality of robots dominating the battlefield.
     
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    Ha.

    I wonder what they'll do. I think it's hard to get rid of the draft in totality or at least with regards to a war of national defense, and I doubt many will be in favor of getting women in the draft.

    I'm no fan of the draft, especially when it comes to foreign wars, but I don't see much movement happening. Hopefully I'm surprised.
     
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    Don't drink the Kool Aid.

    You can't invade even a weak country if the population is against you -- as Vietnam and Afghanistan have shown.
    The US has a weak, disorganized country to the South, a weak, friendly country to the North, and on the East and West -- fishes.
    Our only enemies are those we created ourselves. Noöne's going to invade us, we're going to tear ourselves apart from within.
     
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    "Supremes To Consider The Military Draft"

    Any word on how Diana Ross feels about all this?
     
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    There is a danger to that kind of complacency.
     
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    Did you by any chance read Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution
    Interesting information in following link:
    Power to Raise and Support an Army: Overview | Constitution Annotated | Congress.gov | Library of Congress
     
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    That scenario seems less rosy to me.
     
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    Well of course. Mrs. Revoltingest carries a high caliber rolling pin I hear. The prospect of a plethora of nubile young women on the market would not be that enticing.
     
  9. Revoltingest

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    I've perused it before...enuf to determine that it authorizes
    raising armies, but it doesn't authorize conscription. Some
    argue that is implied by tradition. But traditions can change.
    And then there's that inconvenient explicit 13th Amendment.
    From your link.....
    Before the United States entered the first World War, the Court had anticipated the objection that compulsory military service would violate the Thirteenth Amendment and had answered it in the following words: It introduced no novel doctrine with respect of services always treated as exceptional, and certainly was not intended to interdict enforcement of those duties which individuals owe to the State, such as services in the army, militia, on the jury, etc.

    The 13th Amendment was indeed entirely "novel doctrine". This
    is typical with any amendment, otherwise why amend it at all?
    The court was rationalizing that the amendment meant something
    other than what it very clearly & specifically stated.
    The link also spoke of traditions & states' actions prior to adopting
    the 13th Amendment. But amendments exist for the very purpose
    of changing prior laws & traditions.
    The 13th Amendment to the Constitution is very specific about
    this....
    Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude,
    except as a punishment for crime whereof the party
    shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the
    United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

    Amendments supersede prior law. The draft exists to force men
    (involuntarily) to serve (servitude) in the military. (I've even heard
    liberals advocate conscription for other purposes...to make us all
    more patriotic, & to save money doing social good. Would you
    grant this unlimited power over us?)

    Then we have the 14th Amendment regarding "equal protection".
    To treat men & women as having different rights & obligations
    under the Constitution is a very tough sell.
     
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  10. Revoltingest

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    I doubt that any young women would be interested in either of us.
     
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    As far as I'm concerned all male or female citizens of the U.S. shoudl be subject to being drafted into the U.S. military subject to certain exemptions such as health.
     
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    Supremes To Consider The Military Draft

    Wow, Diana Ross sure gets around these days. Lol.
     
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    Let's say that someone is exempted from the draft for
    health reasons, eg, Biden's asthma, Trump's bone spurs.
    If they're spared military service, shouldn't they have
    to pay compensation for this privilege of avoiding the
    inconvenience & risk of serving in the military?
    They could pay money or spend a couple years
    picking up trash along the highway.

    But why not simply pay such a great wage that
    enuf soldiers would volunteer? That's fair.
     
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    So, your saying that if they are blind, and received a exemption, they should be subject to the same consequences you gave?

    I usually don't answer a question with a question, but what wage would you have accepted to join the military during Vietnam?
     
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    Some consequences for escaping the obligation imposed
    upon everyone else. To have a liability waived, is to receive
    something of value. Not being drafted is of great value.
    Let the beneficiary compensate those denied that benefit.
    I wouldn't have.
    Aside from opposing the draft & not being military material,
    I opposed the war.
    BTW, you're just asking a question....no problem at all.
     
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    As long as someone is given an exemption then everyone with the exact same reason for the exemption should also be granted the exemption, then no harm no foul. However, if that is not done then we have a problem.

    Point taken.
    However, it may just be my upbringing but I consider it an obligation to serve your country when asked to do so.
    I may or may not agree with the reason for using the military but I would go if asked to and IMO everyone not given an exemption (conditions in above must be met) should also do so.
     
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    I don't feel any such obligation to serve.
     
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    Just wondering if you would have felt that way in 1941?
     
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    I'd have felt no obligation then too.
    I also felt no obligation to design tools for war.
    But I chose to do it because I believed it worth the effort.
     
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