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Supremes To Consider The Military Draft

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by Revoltingest, Jun 6, 2021.

  1. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Abnormal before it was fashionable
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    Why men only?
     
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    Looks straightforward to me.
    Perhaps some of them will see it that way.
    But I make no predictions about strict constructionists
    reading the 13th Amendment's prohibition of involuntary
    servitude. Nor do I see the liberals being necessarily
    all equal rights for men & women.
     
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    That is an insightful comment. I recently heard that the military is increasingly technical. There are many engineers for each operation, and perhaps the use of humans bearing personal weapons will go away. A job in the military may no longer be one of fighting but of engineering. Therefore women don't belong in the military. Just kidding.
     
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    Woohoo!
    Also insightful.

    I like this little mutual post admiration society.
     
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    War has traditionally been the province of men.
    And the courts have been a slave to tradition.
     
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    I don't think either sex belongs in a military, nor do I think any group has a right to require anyone to fight or work for them.
     
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    Its a problem for certain. Somehow the military has to get people, and if people won't volunteer then... I guess then either someone will be pressed into service or we'll have no military.
     
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    The last two administrations did have a thing for drone strikes.
     
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    I'm thinking robotic death stun dogs may be the future of combat, and a human must hold the leash.
     
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    So.... slavery, then?
    Who decides which side the conscript fights on? Is there a bidding war? Does the fighter have no choice in who he's required to kill, and for what?

    What gives one entity the right to own another; in Christian terms, to condemn another to Hell for violating the 6th commandment? Does the conscript have no say in the matter? No freedom of conscience?


    Does a resident of a Crips (American street gang) neighborhood owe service to the Crips, in their war with the neighboring Bloods? Do the Crips have a right to order a resident to go shoot a neighbor a few blocks away? Can the Crips take the resident's sin upon themselves?

    What's the difference, besides scale?

    Why do we need a military?
     
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    It's simple....
    Just pay enuf to get volunteers.
    Sure, sure...it's more expensive than enslavement,
    aka conscription, but it's the fair thing to do.
     
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    If you accept the government's protection then you are involved in its lethal practices. Even if you choose not to be involved you are involved. Its like...bacteria. If your roommate never showers then their bacterial cloud is going to be on you, too. You'll smell a little like them.

    That is why I say its a problem for certain, not that I am in favor of war.
     
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    We already fool desperate young people into signing up. How is that different from conscription?
     
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    One is a choice freely made.
    The other is slavery made under threat of prison.
     
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    Good point, but one can choose to minimize one's direct participation. No├Âne has a right to order you to do evil. The wages of sin fall on the sinner, not so much on he who ordered the sin. One is personally responsible for one's actions..
    Does the military commander claim he can absolve you of the sin?

    I do not have a duty to harm others, particularly for the benefit my own oppressor.

    The government doesn't protect me. The only existential threat to the US comes from within. Our only enemies are generated by our own military adventurism, and by foreign policy initiatives I oppose.
    So what if they gave a war and nobody came, as we used to say? Don't we have a moral duty to resist evil?
     
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    Okay, I would say that the all male draft is clearly un-Constitutional. But there are multiple sides to any story. Let's look at it from an older male pro-war viewpoint. Here are the benefits. We are far more likely to go to war if the military is mostly men. As an older male I would not be subject to the draft. If it was a serious war there would be a lot of women for us undrafted men to choose from. Hmm, sounds like a good thing. Too bad that I am not pro-war. I could almost change my mind.
     
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    You wouldn't be free for very long.

    Let's just say fighting has to be done sometimes.
     
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    Granted. But hopefully there would be no need for a draft. If a situation is serious enough that a draft is required then it should be of both sexes. If we only draft men it makes war easier. If we have to draft women too many people are going to think twice about going to war.
     
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