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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Fool, Jan 13, 2022 at 7:33 PM.

  1. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

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    I see Christianity more as a monarchy than socialist.
     
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  2. Fool

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    there are two types of beings on this planet. there are those who are polarized to the service to self type. then there is the other that is polarized to the service to all as self type.


    jesus referred to them as goats and sheeps.


    if you have ever raised either, you would understand.


    so when a person's needs have been met and they continue to accrue excess, it turns into a mental illness unless altruism/philanthropy becomes part of the state of mind
     
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    that is because they want to abdicate their karma to another. let them cast their bread upon the river, after many days they will have to eat it


    the others who helped their fellow man will be eating the hidden manna.
     
  4. Viker

    Viker Filia Diaboli, in a shroud of metaphor and mystery
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    There's only humans. The weakest permit others to delegate them to servitude.

    A goat is a great example. It admits it's a goat and not a sheep. It knows this is not a big difference. It will fight to keep it's crown of horns, however. It's not saying it doesn't love. Love begins with the self.
     
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    Saint Frankenstein I'm not deaf, I'm just a real bad listener
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    Spiritually speaking, yes. In Christianity, God alone is sovereign King of the universe and existence. But, specifically speaking of humans, He has delegated us certain authorities and duties and we are to act as His regents and ambassadors to creation. More intimately, He is the Father of all creation and Christians decide to be His adopted children.
     
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    Revoltingest Abnormal before it was fashionable
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    Yet actual socialist countries look/looked rather unhappy,
    eg, N Korea, USSR, Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge.
    BTW, Denmark's leaders regularly insist that they're capitalist.
    And if we look at the Heritage Foundations ranking of economic
    liberty, Denmark looks significantly more capitalist than Ameristan.
    Sweden is about the same as Ameristan.
    Ref...
    Country Rankings: World & Global Economy Rankings on Economic Freedom

    Our country looks really badly managed, eh.
    We squander our resources on sloth, bureaucracy, war, & oppression.
    Let's keep capitalism, & pay more attention to social benefits.
     
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    I think if you take the text out of the 'con'text you end up just with a con.

    Right after he said, "27 And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.

    and again, right after that he said, "29 And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel's,30 But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands,

    Sounds like increase to me.
     
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    You should expand your reading :D
     
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    Hmm.
     
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    Yep. I'm down with that.
     
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    I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. He also spoke to the rich man, Zacchaeus but it was totally different.

    Perhaps what he was saying was "wrong is wrong and more-so wrong when you are rich and you consume widows houses?"

    I agree that those who are rich are suppose to help those who are not because if they don't, they are confronting the face of God.

    But what is today isn't how we started out. Public schools started around the 1850's. I think the fallacy here is that just because we have some government funded efforts means that socialism is good or that socialism is what we should have.

    Good point... but finding a bad apple in a bag of good apples doesn't translate that all apples are bad and shouldn't be eaten.

    Jon Bon Jovi is rich and helps the poor.

    So what is your point?
     
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    Yeah, except he stated getting a rich man into Heaven is like trying to do something harder than impossible.
     
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    Well, If we already have it. :shrug:
     
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    Except he said that with God all things are possible and then said how those who gave were going to be increased exponentially... a conundrum for sure but certainly an affront to the anti-rich position mentioned.
     
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    Yes....and the Baptist, both of them.

    ....for certain. :)
     
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    oldbadger Skanky Old Mongrel!

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    Many fat rich Christians just erase what Jesus really stood for from their mindsets, methinks.
    All they want to grasp is some 'forever existence' in some 'hereinafter'.

    Sad
     
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    That's probably not what Jesus considers as being rich (a person rich in friends isn't going to get into Heaven?). You cannot omit where Jesus said getting a rich man into Heaven is like trying to pass a camel through the eye of a needle (and that gate analogy some try to use didn't exist for much longer after the fact). He didn't say it is important, he just said it's like trying to do something that is harder than impossible.
     
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    Many confuse Communism and Socialism.

    Communism is dictatorship and the economic practice of Socialism. For example, the Soviet Union and China were ruled by Communists, and they were rather harsh leaders most of the time.

    Socialism means that the government tax money (and other money) is spent on everyone. So, under Socialism, the rich don't get special breaks, like farm subsidies (payment not to grow crops on land that could not grow crops anyway).

    Republicans have always been big on using the military (not paying perks when they retire). I wrote to a marine colonel who was volunteering with Republican Bob Dornan about B-1 Bob (Dornan) taking medical care and some old age pay from survivors of vets (wives, for example). Dornan was the one who took away such perks, though those perks were promised in contracts, in writing.

    So, Republicans are for Socialism when it comes to helping with their own agendas (everyone's money pays for everyone's military and everyone's money pays for everyone's roads and highways).

    Republicans are against Socialized medicine (such as the medical system of Canada, England, Germany, etc).

    Republicans are also against universal health care. Universal health care assures that anyone who gets sick can be cured. This is handy in an epidemic (or pandemic) when a plague has to be cured in everyone before it spreads. Universal health care is also cost effective because it prevents medical conditions from getting worse.

    One thing lacking from Obamacare is the treatment of pre-existing conditions. With huge monthly payments and $100 (or so) doctor visits, many people don't seek immediate medical help (help that might cheaply and quickly fix problems before they become worse). Imagine a scenario in which a person has a sore on their leg, but they wait too long to see a doctor. That person might lose their leg. But, if they need their leg to do their job, they might also lose their job. But if they need a job to keep the wife and kids happy and fed (and provide medical care), he might also lose his wife (divorse or death from disease), and kids would likely go with their moms. So, for the sake of an antibiotic on his leg, he lost his job, house, wife, and kids, and leg, and can't find gainful employment elsewhere with an amputated leg.

    Jesus most certainly healed the sick and didn't ask for payment. In fact, there was one man that Jesus cured who had asked him not to cure him. So, Jesus was very likely a supporter of universal health care (cure everyone), and a supporter of socialized medicine (money was no object).

    Christians clearly defy Jesus when they block universal health care and socialized medicine.

    There are serious cracks in the Obamacare program. One is that some poor people will get a huge amount of medical treatment (lets say for cancer).

    A major crack in Socialism is that people can get funding or help without working, so why work?

    The United States, after WW II, in its most productive mode, was a combination of Socialism and Capitalism.

    It is important to compete with large companies like Toyota because we have to be able sell abroad with monopolies. Other nations subsidize their purchases.
     
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    You pegged it.

    Except that there are millions of well meaning followers. Unfortunately, they are the ones bilked. So, they can't voluteer to help others while they must do so much for themselves.
     
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    Good point.
    :)
     
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