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Featured Socialism and the Far Right

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Fool, Jan 13, 2022 at 7:33 PM.

  1. RestlessSoul

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    I was certainly brought up to see socialism and Christianity as complementary if not synonymous. The British Labour movement had roots in non conformist Christianity. The values of love and justice always appeared synonymous. And the London dockers, who went on strike for better pay and conditions in 1898, found an unexpected ally in theologically conservative but socially radical Catholic cleric, Cardinal John Henry Newman. I grew up with this stuff, it’s in my DNA. Hence my initial incredulity, when I found out that such an of phenomenon as the “religious right” even exists.
     
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    John Bon Jovi is a great entertainer, and probably a very nice guy, so I don’t want to single him out. But charitable donors in his position might want to consider Matthew 6:1-4
     
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    Greed isn't Christian. It isn't even human. It's just the behavior of a dumb animal.
     
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    I think it is quite human. And we are certainly animals, but animals with at least the capacity to question our own nature.
     
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    Secret Chief Meghalayan Ape

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    I think so too, but it is very common behaviour.
     
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    That's a fair point.

    To be fair to the USSR they did achieve some remarkable things. The growth in living standards, life expectency, education levels, drop in infant mortality etc. All without using markets much at all which is like trying to play tennis with a cricket bat, I would imagine.
     
  7. KenS

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    Yes... that is absolutely true. As it is in any faith. King Ahab had the same problem as well as many religious people in the time of Jesus.
     
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    No... those are two different subjects.

    First of all, you seem to want to omit what was said after. Why?
    Second, he also said "It still is possible with God".
    Third, you never explained then why he proceeded to say to his disciple that increase was theirs.
    Fourth, just exactly what was the message. Was it "don't be rich?" Was it, "don't trust money as the gateway for Heaven?" Was it, "be rich in good works?"
    Fifth, "was his point consistent in the rest of his parables and the Torah?" (He was Jewish, you know)

    I have more questions if you are really interested or is it that you want to take one scripture and build a new theology.

    I also wonder how many people are actually coveting the rich people's money. Another no no.
     
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    So true. But I don't think he goes around sounding the trumpet of what he does. Would that be more of a heart issue? I ask because it is sorta hard not to let my left hand know what my right hand is doing.

    You can also pray sounding a trumpet but it doesn't mean don't pray out loud. Another matter of the heart.
     
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    The USSR was never socialist. The revolution was hijacked by the Bolsheviks. The welfare and prosperity of the people was never their strong point.
    But I agree that totalitarian states can achieve a lot very quickly.
     
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    Do you have a supportive documentation?
     
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    ???? I'm not sure you can include that one. The others are somewhat dubious IMO Screen Shot 2022-01-14 at 7.22.22 AM.png Screen Shot 2022-01-14 at 7.21.33 AM.png Screen Shot 2022-01-14 at 7.21.21 AM.png
     
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    Or perhaps people are "coveting" food and medicine for sick and starving children, but an additional yacht to the fleet is more important, praise the Lord.
     
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    We can probably agree that whatever it was it didn't do what we would want from a socialist republic.

    I've read that measures like consumption and child heights skyrocketed in the post war years then stagnated towards the end of the 70s. That isn't an altogether unsimilar story to the West during the period.

    It is hard to know who to trust when it comes to all this stuff.
     
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    Please send them to churches... they will help...

    And please sell your stuff and help them too. Your computer, your extra TV, some of your furniture. I can help you in other areas too.
     
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    It is hard to trust, so true.

    I have a pastor friend (acquaintance) who started a church not too long after the wall came down. It was a disaster of a country,. (They now have multiple churches and since then, because of more freedoms, it has improved immensely.)

    So I definitely wouldn't trust figures coming out of USSR since it was highly controlled.
     
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    Hello Ken.....
    Did you want me to refocus to some other time, place, culture.....or whatever? :)
     
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    :D Your next door neighbor?
     
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    That is what Christ taught, but I'm not among those who claim to follow Christ, which is the topic of this discussion. It's okay if you don't want to follow Christ, but be honest about it and renounce your faith. And do you really believe most churches would be so open and generous? They don't want lowly riff raff sullying their sanctum.
    That said, I do donate to charity and if I had vast wealth I would do more.
     
  20. KenS

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    Yet, when you judge, you are judged.

    And you really haven't presented all that Jesus taught nor do you break down what he said correctly.

    And, Yes, most churches would be open and generous. And we specialize in making beautiful things out of lowly riff raff. :)
     
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